Originally Posted by Nasgul
But you still miss the part where when using a non Intel core logic, you won't reach those speeds, not even with water.
I have an earlier week, which it was assumed that they weren't good, yet it's just as good and you came up with the statement: If you can get a 29 week, you can hit 3.6 stable......well I did and so have others with no matter what, just an E6600 and a P965 or 975X or P35.
There are a lot of us here that have hit 3.60ghz on air with an E6600, something you didn't know but it's feasible, and very.
And sure it's the chispet that's not capable of handling such high FSB, you will learn with your VIA and you'll regret it, just like everyone else that has had and have a VIA for any Intel CPU ever. Mark my words. You will regret it.
That's why those that know best, don't buy nForce based motherboards for our E6600s. Or any other type of chipset for that matter and that's a fact that we've all come to know sooner or later.
Whatever you've been smoking, it makes you hallucinate real bad, I never told anyone not to get D9s because they were trash. Maybe you didn't know this but I do have both kits and just in case FYI, I kept my HZs which have Micron D9s.
Again, don't feel bad because you don't know and are gathering the wrong information. You'll learn.....
What the hell? Who the hell are you? Because I have a VIA on my home system that means I don't get to experiment with other chipsets? Whatever dude, as far as I'm concerned, you proved yourself wrong the second time you posted in this thread, and you continued to every time you posted.
Your week 24
E6600 has absolutely NO contribution to what a week 29, 32, 34 or 40+ week 6600 will do. Go ahead and go on Newegg, order 30 E6600's and tell me how many of them you get will be week 20's. You'll be lucky to get a week 30. Almost everyone ordering a new E6600 is getting L7's and they're NOT touching 3.6 on air. You didn't even show me any posts in the thread I linked that show people with new E6600's stepping on the 3.6 doorstep on air. There's people at 3.4 on Tuniq Towers and Ultra 120's that are hitting 58-60c load and at the wall with 1.5 voltage.
I've worked with the 6600. An ES when they barely hit the market, the B steppings after that and the really good L week 20's. 2 months ago, you could buy an E6600 and hit 3.6 with a $40 cooler. It's not like that anymore and I know that for a FACT.
Can you hit 3.6 on air with a 6600 new? MAYBE
and that's what I said in my initial post. It's a misconception that you are "guaranteed" 3.6 on air with a 6600 and people shouldn't run around saying that either. A realistic "guarantee" with a 6600 even with a 965 or 975x or P35 or 680i is going to be 3.2-3.4 on air. Anything beyond that is a crap shoot and FACTS prove that. Facts you HAVEN'T refuted. You keep bringing up my sig rig, cut it out. My sig rig isn't the rig I play with. I benchmark hardware whenever I want. Having a friend with a basically unlimited hardware budget gives me that freedom, but I buy what I need.
If I wanted I could dump $2000 into a system just so I could say, "Hey I know this hardware, look I own it." But I don't need that. I don't need an 8800GTX or a Core 2 Quad. I get to work with that hardware whenever I want so I really don't care.
The bottom line is, you owning a P5W and an E6600 doesn't give you anymore leverage in an argument with me about their overclocking potential. That's especially
the case when I'm arguing that later than 29 week E6600's aren't as successful, and you come in trying to argue based on your 24 week. You're a month and one week from having a 6600 that would give you any leverage debating with me.
Go buy a 6600 right now, throw it under your air cooler and show me it hits 3.6, and then at that point you'll have a VALID RESULT to add to the SAMPLES I've already taken, but you'll need 3-5 more 6600's hitting 3.6 on air before you even tip the scale of me believing 6600's are "tried and tested" 3.6 guaranteed on air chips.
My FINAL answer on the E6600 is - It's not worth it. With the money the E6600 costs, you can get an E6420 and a good CPU cooler, and as long as your memory and motherboard are up to the task, 3.2-3.5GHZ is an easy goal to hit, which is about the same headroom you'll get out of a 6600 on air. Even the 6320 would be a good choice, but the extra 1x multiplier on the 6420 contributes to more believable 3.2-3.5 over-clocks. You'd need a 500FSB to hit 3.5 on a 6320, but it's going to take a lot of voltage and loose timings on your memory to hit that kind of speed. With a 6420, you'd only need 425, and that's very manageable with DDR2 800 and a 965P/P35/600i.
If the 6600's out now were the same week as engineering samples and initial retails 2+ months ago, then yes the 6600 is worth it because water can get you to 4.0ghz and decent air is GUARANTEED 3.6GHZ. Right now, it's too much of a gamble. You could get lucky, get a good week, good IHS surface and hit 3.6 on air, but if you get unlucky, you'll be lucky to hit 3.2-3.4 with decent voltages.
Earlier 6600's could hit 3.5 with less than 1.4 voltage. I've even seen 6600's undervolted at 3.2GHZ with earlier weeks, running nice and cool. Right now, with new weeks, I see just as many 6420's at 3.2-3.4 as 6600's, at the same low voltages with the same or LOWER load temperatures.
REMEMBER, I am saying NEW 6600's, not older 6600's, so before you come in here and link your CPU-Z validation and your orthos screenshot and all that, take a look at your batch code and make sure your 6600 is a NEW 6600 and not older than 1.5 months old.
Remember I'm also saying NEW 6600's are hard to hit 3.6 on AIR, not water or phase cooling, so don't come in here with a link to someone on water or phase running 3.8-3.9 or beyond. My first post in this thread was about air and I haven't left that subject yet.