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I don't believe the NewEgg reviews are worth the virtual paper they're written on, this is why researching products (like PSU's) is so important, sites like Johnny Guru's not to forget reliable review sites can give a great insight to potential components

I'm not familiar with FSP products, I generally stick to Antec (yeah I know about their capacitor history), PCP&C, Silverstone, Enermax & Seasonic are well reputed suppliers, Hiper & Tagan also have a reasonable following too

Looking closer at your proposed choice, will dual 18A be sufficient? keep in mind that won't be 18A max simultaneously on both lines... however if we're to work within the $60.00 USD budget range would you look at something like this Mushkin 550w dual 12v 20A $69.99 USD?

Of course for a little more 'moola' you could have 22A per dual 12v rail from this Enermax 485w PSU @ $79.99 USD FWIW this unit has significantly more oomph! on the 3.3v & 5v rails too!



QFT! cheaper PSU's are significantly lighter as they lack decent internals (ie. heatsinks), remember you don't need high wattage to acheive decent amperage!
Lol? Did you even look at the top budget PSUs on JohnnyGuru's list? It's there
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Lol? Did you even look at the top budget PSUs on JohnnyGuru's list? It's there
What's there... the Xclio or the Rosewill?
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What's there... the Xclio or the Rosewill?
The Xclio
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Hmmmm... I notice the Xclio Greatpower & Stablepower series are listed... but I don't see the 'Goodpower' there anywhere and that was the unit proposed

Didn't you read the original proposed component selection (page1)?
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Simply put: No.
    
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1gb is good for all buy RGP games lol
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I second that, I have played oblivion on 512 of Ram with an athlon 3200+, and it was a little choppy on graphic scenes, but otherwise, 512 worked O.K. There were no other apps. open while I was playing, though.
    
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Mushkin? For a PSU?
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=31

Nay, I don't think so.


Check the PSU guide by davidhammock in the PSU section (it's a sticky). Dave is a well-known member of the jonnyguru forums, and he tested quite a few PSUs. The XCLIO is one of his recommendations in the budget range. It's a good PSU that will handle a budget rig very well.

Regarding the brands you mentioned... I personally would not get Tagan. Their units are based on Topower components, which aren't exactly the best. Hiper is ok, but no more than that. Their units are fairly weak (I mean, what is 30A on the 12V rails for a 580W unit?), and there have been failures during reviews (although a revised version hold up during tests).

Little argument is possible against PC P&C, Silverstone (Except strider... those aren't that good), Enermax (although a little less good than they used to be), and Seasonic.

Antec is another supplier that doesn't make their own PSUs. The latest (earthwatts and truepower trio) are based of Seasonic components, but aren't always well build (a 650W Trio failing a high-load, high-temperature test at jonnyguru isn't good).

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XCLIO GOODPOWER 500W[Dual +12V Rails](Best Bang for the Buck!)
Max Combined +12V@???A, Not Rated for Temp, Efficiency >70%, ???yr Warranty
Specs: http://www.xclio.com/htm/products-PSU-Goodpower500w.htm
$52: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817189005
I have personally tested this PSU & I highly recommend it for mid-range systems
http://www.overclock.net/1863469-post4.html



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I in no way wish to offend you (or anyone) but seriously... people start building a decent rig, nice processor, GPU, motherboard & ancillories, then cheap out on the PSU (the single most important component in a system IMHO)

Xclio? Rosewill?

It's not the wattage factor that counts, it's the Amperage on the rails that decide if a PSU will cut it OR not, I mean without a clean reliable (and regulated) voltage supply how can you expect to get the best out of your 'uber' components

FWIW I also get by on a meager 1Gb of Geil UltraX DDR (upgraged from 512Mb Corsair XMS) though I primarily run RTS titles, the OS you're using (and visual extras enabled) also dictates how much RAM is sufficient

Getting a decent PSU should be your primary concern, RAM can be upgraded (added to) but a PSU can only be replaced
Just you because haven't heard of brands doesn't mean they're bad. Rosewill's reputation isn't that good, but their PSUs lately are more than decent. Also, if you haven't heard of FSP, as you noted in another one of your posts, you definetly need to do your homework. FSP (or Fortron, also selling budget PSUs under the name Sparkle) makes good PSUs. Together with the 500W XCLIO, the 450W FSP is one of the best PSUs on the market in terms of price /performance. Getting either the FSP of the XCLIO is NOT 'skimping'.

And then finishing off with a jonnyguru review of a Rosewill:
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_deta...=48&page_num=4

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Super performer, superior, no less, to PSU's costing twice as much.
    
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Mushkin? For a PSU?
http://www.jonnyguru.com/review_details.php?id=31

Nay, I don't think so.
It was an example of what to begin searching for, known manufacturer & decent looking spec's I didn't preclude from additional product reasearch


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Check the PSU guide by davidhammock in the PSU section (it's a sticky). Dave is a well-known member of the jonnyguru forums, and he tested quite a few PSUs. The XCLIO is one of his recommendations in the budget range. It's a good PSU that will handle a budget rig very well.

Regarding the brands you mentioned... I personally would not get Tagan. Their units are based on Topower components, which aren't exactly the best. Hiper is ok, but no more than that. Their units are fairly weak (I mean, what is 30A on the 12V rails for a 580W unit?), and there have been failures during reviews (although a revised version hold up during tests).
The fact remains the Good Power series is not listed in either of the 'recommended PSU stickies' over at JG's, and whilst you deride the Tagan PSU JG's actually recommend it along with UltraX-Finity (not one of my favourites either)... if we were talking 'Stable Power' OR 'Great Power' from Xclio the point would be mute, fact is we're not and I'd hardly call an X1950 a budget GFX card

Is it your position to 'pick & choose' from the JG's recommended PSU list, whilst negating other units (listed) altogether?


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Little argument is possible against PC P&C, Silverstone (Except strider... those aren't that good), Enermax (although a little less good than they used to be), and Seasonic.
So we agree somewhere?



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Antec is another supplier that doesn't make their own PSUs. The latest (earthwatts and truepower trio) are based of Seasonic components, but aren't always well build (a 650W Trio failing a high-load, high-temperature test at jonnyguru isn't good).

Just you because haven't heard of brands doesn't mean they're bad. Rosewill's reputation isn't that good, but their PSUs lately are more than decent.
I'll respond with this quote...
Quote:
Originally Posted by jonnyGURU@BadCaps.net
I don't remember what caps are in the FSP, but I know the quality control on the Rosewill's are far from good.
And this...

Quote:
Originally Posted by JG forums
The BAD:

* Two SATA connectors? What!?
* Not fully sleeved...sleeve it and charge $10 more, make the people happy!
* Fuhjyyu caps. This baby needs to be used in a well ventilated case
Even Antec have moved onto better capacitors (albeit marginally better), in the guise of OST & Teapo which are superior to Fuhjyyu by a country mile!


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Also, if you haven't heard of FSP, as you noted in another one of your posts, you definetly need to do your homework. FSP (or Fortron, also selling budget PSUs under the name Sparkle) makes good PSUs. Together with the 500W XCLIO, the 450W FSP is one of the best PSUs on the market in terms of price /performance. Getting either the FSP of the XCLIO is NOT 'skimping'.
The skimping comment was leveled at the Rosewill & Xclio Good Power PSU suggestions

I've yet to encounter an FSP PSU (too bad if I was honest enough to say I wasn't familiar with them), the supplied dual 12v 17A / 16A of the 500w Xclio hardly sounds sufficient (when you interpret the builders desire to add componentry) and especially when you compare it to a 'StablePower 500w' or FSP 450w both putting out 18A (peak) on dual 12v rails

Additionally, if you dig around at the manufacturers website you'll find the 450w rated PSU from FSP has a maximum 29A limit on the 12v rails & a total PSU limit of 32A (385w) on all the rails combined hardly 450w

Ultimately while I don't get to test a great variety of PSU's, I do repair a few & all comments supplied were based on my best experience and opinion naturally, hence the IMHO qualifier
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The fact remains the Good Power series is not listed in either of the 'recommended PSU stickies' over at JG's, and whilst you deride the Tagan PSU JG's actually recommend it along with UltraX-Finity (not one of my favourites either)... if we were talking 'Stable Power' OR 'Great Power' from Xclio the point would be mute, fact is we're not and I'd hardly call an X1950 a budget GFX card
I think you mean 'moot'.

The X1950XT may not be a "budget" card. But at $175 shipped, it's a whole hell of a lot cheaper than a 8800GTX.
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