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Maybe Google will buy them .
lol "come check out my Google Phenom x4 proc man! it kicks some major butt."
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IBM already tried breaking in to the desktop market back in the good old days. They decided it would be more profitable to move to exclusive business class systems.


Here's my thoughts on the whole AMD vs Intel issue...

People like to see Intel as the big bad bully, and AMD as the underdog...kind of like MS vs everyone else in the software industry. To a certain extent it's true. Both Intel and MS have insane amounts of money which can be devoted to the best lawyers and lobbyists in the world if needed, so they tend to get things the way they want. That, however, does not excuse the competition for screwups.

As has been mentioned, AMD has been down before. In the Pentium 1-2 days, AMD was no competition at all except for the budget enthusiast market. They gained an edge with the Athlon/Duron line, but they were only breaking even at best and no real threat to Intel's bottom line. Then AMD released the Athlon XP line and Intel started to take notice. By the time AMD64's hit the market, Intel was throwing a tremendous amount of money into R&D. Unfortunately, someone at AMD didn't realize what that much money can do. It was only a matter of time before C2D.

C2D hit AMD like a nuke. They panicked and lost direction, got behind on development, made drastic (and mostly unnecessary) corporate changes, and generally behaved like idiots from that point on.

My point is that AMD should have been preparing for a counter strike (C2D) the moment they released something better than the competition. It took Intel several years and a fortune in R&D funds to develop the C2D to answer AMD's AthlonXP/AMD64 line...years and $ that AMD probably doesn't have.

I have had a good run with AMD...I've only built 2 Intel rigs for personal use in the 10 years I've been building them. I can understand being out-cashed, it happens to anyone trying to compete with a bigger company from time to time. The thing I can't get over is AMD being so dumb about so many things since C2D shipped. At this point, a complete decapitation is almost the only thing that could save them.

Dear AMD,

Get rid of anyone who had anything to do with the decision making process for the past year at least, 2 to be safe. Replace them all with seasoned veterans from smaller companies that have done well against larger competitors and not lost their heads. Do this while AMD still has the money to afford the new crew, and things should start picking up.

Get the Barcelona out the door, even if it isn't as good as a C2D. You made us wait ages for the 2900, and even the naming scheme revamp didn't keep it from eating the 8800's dust. Quit throwing money at a lost cause and divert it to the next generation or 8 core or 25nm or ANYTHING that has a chance of success instead, your investors will thank you for it. Intel didn't make the C2D overnight, it was based on a series of imperfect cores, tweaked and retweaked, and finally perfected. To think all you have to do is release the Barcelona to beat years of Intel's R&D is just dumb. Get that Barcelona out of the way and learn from it. Use what you learned this time around on your next core.

Quit making promises you can't keep. It's a simple thing to do. Every time I see a release date rolled back, I lose a little bit of trust for that company. If you don't have a snowball's chance in hell of getting that new CPU out any time this decade, say so upfront. Lying doesn't make it any better. We may not love the truth, but we will surely hate the lie.
Great read and I agree whole heartedly!
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Maybe Google will buy them .
It's a cool thought, but what could Google possibly want with a CPU company?
 
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It's a cool thought, but what could Google possibly want with a CPU company?
They have expressed interest in having a system where users login to a remote computer system owned and operated by google to check email, browse, and other basic user tasks. Google would probably love to own the company making the computer system to power that.

Oh, and Google wants to take over the world.
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Not mentioned much is the major misstep of AMD to not provide an upgrade CPU path for the 939 socket market. Anyone building a new machine swapped to the superior Intel chips.
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Not mentioned much is the major misstep of AMD to not provide an upgrade CPU path for the 939 socket market. Anyone building a new machine swapped to the superior Intel chips.
Yep, releasing AM2 so soon and trying to strong arm everyone into buying it failed miserably for AMD. I upgrade or replace my rig once a year on average. When I bought my 3700 rig, I had planned on running it for a year, then buying a dual core 939 instead of replacing everything. When the time came, I looked at benchmarks and reviews from all over the net, talked to friends and family, and decided it was far more economical to replace the whole rig with a C2D and give the 3700 rig to my wife than it would be to hang on to the dead end 939 config or buy AM2. I get more performance out of this <$200 low end C2D than I would out of an AMD chip that cost 4x as much.
 
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I upgraded to a 165 about 3 months ago for $153. To get the same performance I would have had to buy a $200 CPU, a $100 motherboard and $250 worth of RAM. Much cheaper to stay with AMD and S939. Even upgrading to AM2 (which would have been stupid) would have cost me close to the same amount.
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bought by who exactly? Intel, by law, arent allowed to buy them out. Maybe nvidia will buy them
There is no law preventing Intel from buying AMD. It is just very unlikely to be approved by the government, only because Intel already has such a large share of the CPU market. It would be up to Intel and AMD, as partners with equal stake in this hypothetical scenario, to prove that the merger would not negatively affect the market reduce competition in any way.

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There's a reason why AMD has NEVER been able to compete with Intel.......first and foremost? manufacturing and 2nd, commercials, advertising.
Actually, it's just the commercials. As Microsoft did before them, Intel realized early on the power of hammering a brand name into consumers' minds over and over and over, until they equate your brand name with the product itself. Average Martha Wal-Mart Moms that don't know the difference between a CPU and a catalytic converter suddenly don't think a computer is "not as good" if it doesn't have the Intel Inside label on it. Marketing trumps reality, because (to quote Men In Black), "A person can be smart...but people are stupid."

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As far as the lawsuit, it's chump-change for Intel for what AMD is seeking......petty!
Either you're showing off some Intel fanboyism, or you have a fundamental lack of understanding of business and antitrust laws. The money may be chump change to Intel, fine. But it's still a large sum of money, and it's not so small to AMD. It is simply the estimated monetary damage done to AMD by Intel's monopolistic tactics. What did you expect AMD to do, sue for a billion dollars? That only works when McDonald's serves stupid people hot coffee and they spill it on themselves.

But it's only partly about the money anyway. The real point of the suit is to force Intel to stop the monopolistic aggression tactics and allow AMD (and others) to fairly compete.

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Now, the argument Intel has, it's all true to this date and this is an article from 2005, almost two years and guess what? nothing has changed:
The snippet you posted contained nothing but Intel's responses to the suit. And they're just vanilla, off-the-shelf, stock responses to a lawsuit...what did you expect them to say? "Yep, we did it...but screw 'em, they suck, Pentium FTW?" Of course they're going to deny everything to the media, whether they did it or not. It is 100% up to AMD to prove that Intel did the things they are accused of, and that what they did a) was anti-competitive, in violation of antitrust laws; and b) that AMD was directly harmed by these violations. These sorts of things are hard to conclusively prove, so AMD has an uphill battle. They claim they have evidence, we'll see.

And you seem to think that two years is a long time...get comfortable, there's years more to come. IIRC, the Microsoft antitrust suit dragged on for about seven or eight years...something like that.

The rest of your post is just anti-AMD rhetoric, I see no need to respond.
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Not mentioned much is the major misstep of AMD to not provide an upgrade CPU path for the 939 socket market. Anyone building a new machine swapped to the superior Intel chips.

They had to do it to move to DDR2. Why would they spend precious resources on a DDR based platform when they could get with the times and move to newer hardware? Developing newer CPUs for skt939 could have been great (the lower latencies of DDR were one of AMD's main weapons, not to mention the big established fanbase for the platform), but they had to make the switch eventually.
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ATI goes to Intel, and AMD (CPU stuff) goes to nVidia. IF AMD ever gets in that much trouble it is, which I doubt.

Does this mean that ATI graphics cards would be decent if that DID happen?
you see, that would be sooooo cool! i prefer red to black in terms of graphics cards.
but i prefer Nvidia graphics power to the ATI/AMD cards.

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