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Hey everyone
I'm the new guy and I was wondering if you could help me better prepare this new rig I plan to purchase in late July. I'm kind of a rookie when it comes to putting appropriate parts together (had lots of trouble assembling my currently aging pc) so any help or advice at all is much appreciated!

Anyway, I did some research on current hardware and here is roughly what I am looking for:

CASE: Lian LI PC-A10 --------- I know it’s quite expensive but I decided to spoil myself a little for this rig as I finally got enough money to allow it.

CPU: Q6600 ---------- I think I should go with this one after its price cut in July mostly because of price/performance, it just seems like a very good deal to me. Also I plan to overclock it to 3 GHz (I'll be more than happy with that) and am prepared to buy the necessary cooling to do so.

GPU: 8800GTX ----------- Probably EVGA for that step-up program and warranty. At the resolution I will be using 1280*1024, I figure it should last me a LONG time, kind of like my 6600GT did.

RAM: 4gigs? ------------ Alright, starting at the ram and all the wait to end, I simply don't know enough to pick something so PLEASE help me out. I hear 4 gigs is a little much these days but should do wonders for games like UT3 or Bioshock, and so on.

POWER SUPPLY: No clue how much is enough for a PC of this sort. 600 would be my guess. Is my current 400 enough?

MOTHERBOARD: Not sure here either but I do know I will never go SLI and i heard about a 650i Ultra motherboard that might just suit my needs. What do you guys recommend?

Overall, that’s what I got so far. It’s still a little while until July comes (July 22 to be more precise) but I just wanted to see at how much and what kind of PC in general I am looking at. My budget is 2000 Canadian but if I could spend only around 1500 on the same parts, it would be nice. This PC is mostly for gaming but I will also be doing some video editing.

Anyway, I will gladly answer any questions and like I said, advice is very appreciated. Thank you guys in advance and sorry for the long post!
post #2 of 45
I don't care for that case, but a lot of people like it. If it suits you go for it!

CPU, good idea.

GPU, 8800 GTX @ 1280x1024? Why? You could get a 8800 GTS 320, 8800 GTS 640, or maybe an ATI X2900 XT *last benchmarks i read it outperformed the GTS, but it is still more expensive, not as good bang for buck i think*. Anyways getting a GTS would save you a couple $100 dollars which you could buy yourself a nice 20.1" LCD with.
I 100% recommend better monitor coupled with a GTS. You will be much more happier, bigger monitor = awesome.

2 gigs will do you fine. Average ram would do you fine with a Q6600, IMO there is no need for G.Skill HZ unless you are in for some serious overclocking. I would say 2x 1gb ddr2 800mhz

PSU, to lazy to suggest one... i don't keep up with em. Wait for someone to suggest one, remember watts isn't everything, what's more important is Amps and Rails

Gigabyte DS3 ftw! Or ASUS p5b
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2GB is fine on XP, but on Vista forget about it... It'd ridiculous with some RAM hogging games and a RAM hogging OS..
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If you want to run 4GB, you'll need 64-bit Vista. However, drivers are improving, so maybe not the worst of ideas right now... However, it's overkill for current applications/games (yes even in Vista... it isn't as bad as people say).

Since you don't plan SLI, I'd simply get the best chipset on the market, which is Intel's newest: the P35.
Any of these would be nice (I picked the ones with the ICH9R southbridge, so you can run a RAID array):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=&srchInDesc=

Regarding PSU: 400W won't cut it. 550W-600W is the minimum (depending on current on the 12V rails.)

Some suggestions:
Corsair 520W. Plenty juice, given the 40A on the 12V rails.
Silverstone OP650 650W. Also more than enough.
    
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If you wanna OC, buy a 680i mobo. Either ASUS or EVGA.

EDIT: And as for cooling the Q6600, u might wanna go with watercooling, but if u don't want to watercool, get an Ultra-120 Extreme, or wait for the IFX-14 to come out during June-July.
    
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Originally Posted by Chozart View Post
If you want to run 4GB, you'll need 64-bit Vista. However, drivers are improving, so maybe not the worst of ideas right now... However, it's overkill for current applications/games (yes even in Vista... it isn't as bad as people say).

Since you don't plan SLI, I'd simply get the best chipset on the market, which is Intel's newest: the P35.
Any of these would be nice (I picked the ones with the ICH9R southbridge, so you can run a RAID array):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...k=&srchInDesc=

Regarding PSU: 400W won't cut it. 550W-600W is the minimum (depending on current on the 12V rails.)

Some suggestions:
Corsair 520W. Plenty juice, given the 40A on the 12V rails.
Silverstone OP650 650W. Also more than enough.

im not 100% sure but 4 gigs is the max for the 32-bit, and 8 gigs is the max for 64-bit
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Wow! Thank you for the replies guys, that was fast!

Alright there are certain things I forgot to mention. First the reason I want a GTX is for its ram amount and just overall speed. Plus I'm really trying to make this pc last and as far as I understand smaller screen with GTX will last me longer than bigger screen with weaker card. Besides I'm perfectly happy with a 17 inch for now but in the near future I may get a bigger screen so I'll be ready if I do.

Alright, as for the ram and OS, I do plan to run 64 bit Vista. I heard it has its faults but overall is a decent OS and is "better" than the 32 bit. I'm just wondering, when people say it has driver compatibility issues, how serious of a problem is that? Like will I have trouble getting video card drivers? printer drivers? or most specific hardware drivers?

PSU, Chozart, the ones you suggested look pretty sweet so when the time comes, I'll go for either one. And I'll look more into just what amps and rails are and what configurations are better than others since I don't know much about that.

For cooling Mun, I really don't want water-cooling. A couple of friends of mine recently got some newer Zalman fans for their P4 overclock and apparently it's doing wonders. I don't know if this Ultra 120 or IFX are better but if they are, both seem like a good way to go.

For the overclocking, I know i need a strong enough ram to keep up with the CPU, so whatever ram gets me to 3 GHz (at least) is what I would need. Preferably 4 gigs to more "future proof" the rig. If 800 MHz ram is fast enough for it then great Dezixn, thank you. Oh and for the motherboard, could someone please enlighten me about this EVGA board?

http://www.directcanada.com/products...nufacture=EVGA

I know I could get cheaper boards but that’s honestly my main worry and also why I came to you guys. I cheaped out on my first build (current pc) and stuck to value parts. It ran great for the first few months and then part by part, it all died on me. My video card died 3 times!! So I spent months doing RMAs and now I would rather spend some more money on quality parts, especially since I'm getting higher end parts this time around.

Anyway thank you once again for your help thus far and I'm looking forward to hearing some more of your suggestions/opinions!
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Chozart's choices are good, if you'd like you can pay extra money for the Corsair 620watts' PSU. It is slightly higher, just for in case.

And I would suggest the 680i's for EVGA. They seem to have pretty good overclocking abilities.

Corsair 620W

Like some people have said, EVGA is new to the motherboard business, so we cannot really see the long term effects of it yet, but if you really do want to overclocking, Gigabyte has a nice selection of good boards.

Though, when I am going to build my new computer, I will get the 680i from EVGA. I want to give it a try. I've only drived a few boards in my process.



Getting the SE for the 680 = a good buy, though you get less stuff then the highest price one, but same thing.

You shouldn't rush with RAM, so you try to get 2 gigabites first then start upgrading in the process. Slow and steady wins the race.
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Thanks HiKaRux, I will probably go for the 620 to be on the safe side. That motherboard thought, the 680i SE, doesn't seem to be for Quad cores but more for the Dual Core CPUs. The reason I'm curious about the 650i Ultra is that it’s very cheap (price), good overclocker and the reviews seem to praise it. I'm just still not sure.

Your ram idea reminded me of a couple of questions though
1. Is it better to run 2X2048 or 4X1024?
2. Are preclocked 8800GTXs worth the extra cash?
3. Is PC6400 DDR2 ram with 5-5-5-15 latencies enough for my planned overclock?

Thank you
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If your going to get a 8800GTX then I beg you to upgrade to a bigger monitor , that card will have no trouble playing games at high res in HD , and you will thank all the people that said so if you do !

Also make sure you get yourself a good quality PSU , and don't skimp out on this , lots do and lots regret it later

I recommend either the evga or asus ( like mine hehe ) 680i mobo's , so far its been flawless for me , and very easy to understand the overclocking side of its bios

Anyways good luck dude , and all the best in building it
    
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