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im not 100% sure but 4 gigs is the max for the 32-bit, and 8 gigs is the max for 64-bit
4GB is the theorerical max for 32-bit, but in practical terms, no more than 3 - 3.5GB will be recognized. 64-bit can handle a lot more, and I think the limit is 128GB. However, some of the 'lower' versions of Vista have a lower limit.

It's hard to tell which one will run better ... 2x2gb will have looser timings, while 4x1GB will put a little more pressure on the memory controller (not that big a deal with Intel though, but still).

I think the overclockability of the 4x1GB might be a little better, since it will have tighter timings. However, 2GB sticks at CAS5 should work also, since they can be loosened still to CAS6.
    
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im not 100% sure but 4 gigs is the max for the 32-bit, and 8 gigs is the max for 64-bit
In theory the 32 bit windows can access 2exp32 bits of ram, aka 2048GB for the processes, and the same amount for itself for a grand total of 4GB. In theory, 'cause in practice it can access a max 3.2GB and not more than 2.6-3 can be effectively used (I have 3 gigs at work on XP 32 and I think it's the absolute max for this OS).

In theory Vista X64 can access 2exp64, 16TB (terabytes) if I recall. In practice Vista X64 Business/Ultimate was limited to 128GB, more than any of us will have in the next few years. Mobos are also limited, nowadays at around 8 or 16GB.

My 2 cents: less than 2GB - XP, more than 2GB - Vista X64, as others already said.
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I kinda think chozart might be right on getting the newest and greatest chipset out. ASUS P5K anyone? From what i've heard (mostly from Cyberdruid's review of it) it is a good board.

If you run your FSB and RAM at 1:1 800mhz ram will do you fine, since the q6600 is basically 2 e6600 take my set up for example..

CPU freq = 3200mhz
fsb = 356.5
ram = 356.5 = 713 effective

Running RAM faster than FSB generally doesn't improve performance sooo... G.skill HK ftw.

Aftermarket cooling for that q6600 would be a good idea. From what i have seen the new Thermaltake Typhoon does well, other great choices would be TT120, ultra 120 extreme, ect...
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Alright so this is what I got so far:

CASE: Lian Li PC-A10
http://www.directcanada.com/products...acture=LIAN-LI

CPU: Q6600 after price cuts in July

GPU: EVGA 8800GTX
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...917&CatId=2513

RAM: US Modular Cold Fusion 4096MB Dual Channel PC6400 DDR2 800MHz Memory (2 x 2048MB)
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...611&CatId=2368

POWER SUPPLY: Corsair CMPSU-620HX 620W Atx Triple 12V 50A 24PIN Atx Modular Power Supply 120MM Fan 2X PCI-E
http://www.directcanada.com/products...acture=CORSAIR

MOTHERBOARD: ASUS P5K DELUXE/WIFI-AP ATX LGA775 P35 DDR2 1333FSB 2PCI-E16 3PCI 2PCI-E1 SATA2 Sound Motherboard
http://www.directcanada.com/products...nufacture=ASUS

So from what I understand, Vista makes good use of your ram and since I do plan to go 64bit, 4gig is the way to go. Is there a major reason why I shouldn't consider Vista64 or vista at all for that matter?

So Dezixn, the G Skill are better in my case because of the 1:1 overclock possibility? Better than the ram I listed? Why? I'm sorry man I wish I knew more about hardware
Like does it make it more stable? Slower?

Thank you for that link Chozart, I'm thinking about the motherboard right now, I really don't know what to pick. The P5K looks incredible but is quite expensive. Is it much better than the 650i Ultra? Why?

I'll definitely look into cooling, not really worried about it as there are many good ones out there from what I read but thank you for the suggestions Dezixn, that Typhoon looks majestic!

So yea, if someone could fill me in on why certain RAM and MOTHERBOARDS are better than others, would be nice

Thanks to all
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Never heard of that brand of RAM... and link doesn't work for me. What's the price on that stuff?
I think it's this kit:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...611&CatId=2264

Wow.. 2x2GB at CAS4?? That looks nice. But again, never heard of the brand, and no idea what to expect in terms of overclocking.

Regarding the motherboard... this depends on the chipset.

The initial board you choose is based on the nVidia 650i chipset, which is the mid-range version or nVidia's newest chipset (the high-end version is the 680i). Thus, boards based on this chipset lack some features (not sure what, but probably fewer SATA ports, maybe only one LAN port instead of two, no 1394 Firewire.. etc). Also, the chipset isn't as robust as it's higher end brother. This does not mean it's a bad board....no, I have heard boards with this chipset overclock quite nicely.

The P35 is Intel's newest chipset, and successor of the P965 Express. The P965 Express is one of the best (if not the best) chipsets on the market for overclocking (and overall stability), and its southbridge (ICH8R) is also the best for RAID set ups. With the P35 and the ICH9R things only got better, plus guaranteed support for the next generation Intel CPUs (Penryn). Just good stuff, and brand new technology.

My pick would be the P5K Deluxe, if you could afford it.
    
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That’s exactly it! Very sorry for the link, didn't notice it myself. This one should be fine. If not, the price is 305 Canadian and the latency is 4-4-4-12 which is good right?

http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applicatio...611&CatId=2368

If ANYONE has used or heard of this brand before, what are your opinions on it?

Oh and thank you very much for the motherboard explanation! Since I'm going all high end this time, I might as well get that P5K to be on the safe side, especially since I might upgrade to Penryn when the time comes My budget is actually higher than what I said (I'm really not a big spender) but I'm trying to keep it less than 2000. If I can't I'll just sacrifice the case for something basic.
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The RAM looks good to me in terms of specs.... but no experiecne with it.... So, calling others

Seems like a new player on the market.
    
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post #18 of 45
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Here, check this out you guys!

http://www.usmodular.com/MCE/default/0/product/3114

So should I give it a go? Or stick to something we all know and love?
By the way, will there be a huge difference between 800mhz and 1066mhz?
post #19 of 45
^That is true, but he can always do a dual psu. =P I say 620 w is enough for his rig, unless he he going to be putting much hard drives and stuff like that.

Well, of course tighter timings are very nice for overclocking for some. Sometimes it's all about luck too. Well, for me I would start small, but I guess you want to reach 4 gigabytes no matter what. I would say getting the 2x2048 better.

Well, let me tell you a story wunder, sometimes "cheap" isn't a good thing to go for, especially for overclocking. I've had COUNTLESS issues with a CHEAP biostar motherboard, and it wasn't even for overclocking... Cheap is not the way to go for overclocking, and sometimes it really depends on your luck for the board too. EVGA is too new to the scene, but I believe 680 will last you longer. ^^; If you want to overclock, do not go to cheap. Unless you want to get a gigabyte, they have some really good one between 130+$.

I believe pc6400 with 5 latency is good depending the ram you are willing to buy though. Just remember lower latency equal quicker.


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Just came back didn't notice there was two pages.

If you get 1066, you have more headroom for overclocking. I have no experience with Cold Fusion either, only Kingston.

And I guess you changed the board for overclocking. Good choice. Asus is has great boards, but very bad tech, just a note. This could be the future for the overclockers with the new chipset, but I still like nvidia's. I guess similar to the evga's but newer chipset. I heard good for ocing the dual cores and quad cores.
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Yea hiKaRux3, being cheap was my biggest mistake with my first build but this times, it looks like I'll be ok. That ram I found, if as good as it seems, should be more than fine. I don't actually want to over clock anything way too high. Like I said, with a 3GHZ quad core, I don't think I will have to.

For the power supply, when I actually order this rig, i might find a higher one for similar price just to be on the safe side, but I don't think I will put more than 2 hard disks in there......for now anyway.

Also, sorry but what do you mean by bad tech? From what I read, it’s a pretty sweet board with great overclocking capabilities but it has a weird layout. Since I'm not going to stuff it with water-cooling or SLI I should get by though.

Anyway, it’s pretty costly, so now my question is, do you think I will be better off getting a 680i? that Intel board hiKaRux3 suggests? Or that P5K board? For that much money, I really don't want to pick something I will regret.

I gotta tell ya, I'm pretty excited about this one I never had a high end system before and I never spent that much money on a rig before either
My upgrades so far have been from voodoo3 to GF3 to 6600GT so I should expect a pretty big jump right? Anyway, thank you for all your help so far, I really, REALLY appreciate it!
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