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Barcelona is the same thing as Phenom. It is just named branded for servers.

I addressed Phenom in the same way I addressed Barcelona. It cannot compete with current Kentsfield processors let alone competing with Intel performance and price of Penyrn / Kentfeild during Q4 07 / Q1 08.

I am sorry if the cold hard fact doesn't fancy you. But it is fact. Phenom doesn't stand a chance to the stock speed, overclocked speed, or price / performance for an enthusiast.
The fact is you don't have any facts. You have heresay and second hand info.

How can you complain about fanboys when you're the anti-boy ( more hate in AMD than i see love towards intel ). Just relax, get off your soap box, and chill out.

The Phenoms may kick serious a--, and you may be wrong. They may not be good and your assumptions may be right. They may vault AMD to 50% market share....who the hell knows. Not you. Not I. So, again, chill out and quit repeating the same garbage over and over. I swear if i see this sentence, or one like it, again I'm going to scream:

"Barcelona is going to underperform and is going to suck. Penyrn is automatically going to be better anyways and they come out at the same time. This is all fact!"
    
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The fact is you don't have any facts. You have heresay and second hand info.

How can you complain about fanboys when you're the anti-boy ( more hate in AMD than i see love towards intel ). Just relax, get off your soap box, and chill out.

The Phenoms may kick serious a--, and you may be wrong. They may not be good and your assumptions may be right. They may vault AMD to 50% market share....who the hell knows. Not you. Not I. So, again, chill out and quit repeating the same garbage over and over. I swear if i see this sentence, or one like it, again I'm going to scream:

"Barcelona is going to underperform and is going to suck. Penyrn is automatically going to be better anyways and they come out at the same time. This is all fact!"
Benchmarks are hearsay?

Here are the facts that give me reason to know that Barcelona will not be a success:

1. AMD claims that Barcelona will run at 2.6Ghz, they do a simulation benchmark of one at 2.6Ghz. However, we are only weeks out of launch and all they can muster is 1.6Ghz. This clearly indicated the difficulty AMD is having with scaling the architecture. How well do you think Barcelona will overclock if AMD cannot even hit its stock goals?

2. Barcelona will be manufactored using the 65nm tech on 200cm wafers. This will not be able to compete with the low cost of Intel's 45nm Penryn 300cm wafers. Intel will be able to provide Penryn for cheaper.

3. Benchmarks show the 2.4Ghz Kentsfield beating the 1.6Ghz Barcelona by 58%. You may say that it is unfair to compare a 2.4Ghz chip to a 1.6Ghz chip. But if Intel can produce a 2.4Ghz chip and AMD cannot only produce a 1.6Ghz chip, that is just too bad. In fact, Intel has chips up to 3.0Ghz on the 1333Mhz. By the time Barcelona (and Phenom) launch Intel will have 45nm chips on with SSE4, 6MB L2 cache, and speeds up to 3.33Ghz. (already demonstrated)

4. Improvements to the Penryn chip have demonstrated that it will be a killer chip. Has AMD demonstrated these qualities yet? You have to go with the information that we have. Not what "could" happen or what you "know AMD will do."



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AMD has dissapointed me a LOT recently.

im going to the dark side in '08
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Benchmarks are hearsay?

Here are the facts that give me reason to know that Barcelona will not be a success:

1. AMD claims that Barcelona will run at 2.6Ghz, they do a simulation benchmark of one at 2.6Ghz. However, we are only weeks out of launch and all they can muster is 1.6Ghz. This clearly indicated the difficulty AMD is having with scaling the architecture. How well do you think Barcelona will overclock if AMD cannot even hit its stock goals?

2. Barcelona will be manufactored using the 65nm tech on 200cm wafers. This will not be able to compete with the low cost of Intel's 45nm Penryn 300cm wafers. Intel will be able to provide Penryn for cheaper.

3. Benchmarks show the 2.4Ghz Kentsfield beating the 1.6Ghz Barcelona by 58%. You may say that it is unfair to compare a 2.4Ghz chip to a 1.6Ghz chip. But if Intel can produce a 2.4Ghz chip and AMD cannot only produce a 1.6Ghz chip, that is just too bad. In fact, Intel has chips up to 3.0Ghz on the 1333Mhz. By the time Barcelona (and Phenom) launch Intel will have 45nm chips on with SSE4, 6MB L2 cache, and speeds up to 3.33Ghz. (already demonstrated)

4. Improvements to the Penryn chip have demonstrated that it will be a killer chip. Has AMD demonstrated these qualities yet? You have to go with the information that we have. Not what "could" happen or what you "know AMD will do."



Yes, benchmarks can be subjective. Just showing me a graph doesn't give me the whole picture on the actual performance of a chip that isn't going to be out for another 6 months to a year. Just 2 mo. ago, AMD was saying their new chips were doing great.....*gasp* maybe the same thing could happen to intel?!?!?!

And again, you're assuming. A lot. I can understand people giving their opinion based on the info the public has but you take it to another level by proclaiming everything you say as fact. It's not. You have no more insight than anyone else. If you were an AMD engineer and you KNEW that they were having problems then I would respect your opinion but at this point right now, we're all being given 2nd hand info. Most of it is from the same website that intel fanboys, such as yourself, would normally discredit if it was positive news.

Again, quit repeating yourself constantly and just let the damn things come out.
    
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