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Originally Posted by cognoscenti View Post
How does anyone know for sure other than their accountants?
Exactly, no one really does. Aside from maybe the CEO. So that in mind we're no experts on it either. So we can stop making death predictions for AMD, until we know for sure.
'bout time.
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post #12 of 29
Spanko
Is full of :turd:
He is just another reason I dislike Intel! How low can you go to belittle others in such a childish manner!
Gee, supprising he wouldnt have the you know whats to say that when AMD was stomping them in the ground on performance!
He needs to grow up!
    
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* In 1986 Intel broke an agreement it had with AMD to allow them to produce Intel's micro-chips for IBM; AMD filed for arbitration in 1987 and the arbitrator decided in AMD's favor in 1992. Intel disputed this, and the case ended up in the Supreme Court of California. In 1994, that court upheld the arbitrator's decision and awarded damages for breach of contract.

* In 1990, Intel brought a copyright infringement action alleging illegal use of its 287 microcode. The case ended in 1994 with a jury finding for AMD and its right to use Intel's microcode in its microprocessors through the 486 generation.

* In 1997, Intel filed suit against AMD and Cyrix Corp. for misuse of the term MMX. AMD and Intel settled, with AMD acknowledging MMX as a trademark owned by Intel, and with Intel granting AMD rights to market the AMD K6 MMX processor.

* In 2005, following an investigation, the Japan Federal Trade Commission found Intel guilty on a number of violations. On June 27, 2005, AMD won an antitrust suit against Intel in Japan, and on the same day, AMD filed a broad antitrust complaint against Intel in the U.S. Federal District Court in Delaware. The complaint alleges systematic use of secret rebates, special discounts, threats, and other means used by Intel to lock AMD processors out of the global market. Since the start of this action, AMD has issued subpoenas to major computer manufacturers including Dell, Microsoft, IBM, HP, Sony, Toshiba.
Tee hee...they started when Intel sold AMD their engineering documents. They couldn't produce enough CPUs to meet market demand, and when they had enough production to meet demand they were like 'oh wait, we're going to need our monopoly back.' Then AMD is like 'well....no.'

Sadly, plenty of enthusiasts are going to Intel because AMD is behind now. I'm going 45nm Intel next time around. Unless AMD comes out with something great.

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Am I the only one who does not see doom and gloom for AMD?
Yes Intel has faster chips. Yes Intel is selling more.
But it is not like nobody is buying AMD. AMD is a value CPU. Not everybody needs 64 core CPU's that can tie your shoes for you. Is there anything out there that AMD can't run that Intel can? Sure it may take .02 seconds longer with AMD, but for most, it is worth the savings.

And don't go spouting AMD fanboy, just because AMD's are cheaper and do what I need. If Intel meet my needs and costs, I would (and have) use them.
Yea you're not the only one dude. Go to Circuit City and check out the pre-built PCs; they're almost all AMD. That's what the average PC users wants; lower price. They don't even know about performance. Furthermore, even people who desire power for normal use are concerned with price/performance and energy consumption. The name of the game isn't 'the fastest, most overclockable CPU' for the mainstream sector of the CPU market. My dad in looking into building a 3600+ X2 PC, and he's a C++ programmer.
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post #14 of 29
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Doesn't AMD own the low-mid range market?
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Am I the only one who does not see doom and gloom for AMD?
Yes Intel has faster chips. Yes Intel is selling more.
But it is not like nobody is buying AMD. AMD is a value CPU. Not everybody needs 64 core CPU's that can tie your shoes for you. Is there anything out there that AMD can't run that Intel can? Sure it may take .02 seconds longer with AMD, but for most, it is worth the savings.

And don't go spouting AMD fanboy, just because AMD's are cheaper and do what I need. If Intel meet my needs and costs, I would (and have) use them.
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If you can see that people are still buying AMD for value so can Intel which is why there are releasing good processors across the board. Not only that but they are making some extreme performance processors for a relatively small price. I can see a lot changing in the low end market in the 6 months it'll take AMD to start releasing desktop processors.

It is true, that currently AMD does have some very good value CPU's with the 3600+ and 3800+. Very very good for budget systems. This, however, is all due to the fact that intel hasn't been on top long enough to bring their great CPU's down into the dirt cheap range. Thats all the Mid-low range is. Its just older really great CPU's that dropped in price over time. By July 22nd (intel price cut) The E2140, E2160, and E4300 will drop well below the 100$ mark to combat the only part of the market AMD has left. This is all before the Barcelona Q1'08 launch. This means Intel will have top to bottom dominance over the market.

And to those saying that competition is the key to advancement in this industry, please tell me when we've seen a top-of-line-line CPU drop over 300% in price in under 4 months and be replaced by twice as many better processors. I'm kind of liking the whole "we own 99% of the market and now we're going to show AMD how to use it" theory intel is applying. Its getting me a quadcore next month for less than a near top of the line GPU or DDR3 RAM.
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post #15 of 29
I personally dont like Intels slow but sure monopolizing.
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Intel CEO compares AMD’s success to a “comet passing in the nightâ€

Source: TG Daily



I totally agree with Spanko
Spanko speaks truth
     
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post #17 of 29
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I personally dont like Intels slow but sure monopolizing.
Agreed....




but honestly, isn't a monopolized market in Intel's favor bad for them in the long run? I'm not sure, but aren't there laws to protect the consumer and prevent such monopoly(at least in U.S.) ? If so, won't some court eventually just do harm to their corporation, or at least their market dominance?

I just like options.
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post #18 of 29
If they are seen as monopolizing then yeah a court will get them for it as its illegal.
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Yeah, but if AMD goes down there's nothing the law can do against Intel's monopoly then...
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post #20 of 29
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Yeah, but if AMD goes down there's nothing the law can do against Intel's monopoly then...
Actually yes there is. We're talking about America, remember. That means no monopolies so more than likely the supreme court will split Intel in half to form 2 new CPU companies.
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