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How is a custom rig unstable? I would get all the parts you would get in the Dell, but build it yourself. And if you are worried about stability DO NOT OVERCLOCK IT AND DO NOT MESS WITH THE VOLTAGES.

I have an E6600 on an Intel Bad Axe 2 and I never worry about stability. My voltage is stock and my speed is stock. The reason I built a custom system over a Dell is because Dell charges you a lot more, you cannot swap out as many parts, the cooling is very bad, and the cases aren't that great.

They charge you $100 to upgrade from 1GB of DDR2-667 Ram to 2GB of it. 2x1GB of G. Skill DDR2-800 HZ's (which have D9MGH Chips) cost $105. Also, to upgrade from an Intel Core 2 Duo E4300 to an E6600 would cost you $200. An E6600 from newegg costs $222.

It would also not make sense to upgrade a Dell with custom parts after you already purchased one. Then you might as well get a Custom Rig to start with.

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post #32 of 60
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JC says, "Because I bought a Dell and tried to make it perform well and play games and fold, and the speaker on the motherboard emitting a hyena-laugh like sound and it caught fire. I hate you Dad."
Maybe if you could let go of your pre-conceived notions about Dells you would realize that they can be very capable machines.

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It would also not make sense to upgrade a Dell with custom parts after you already purchased one. Then you might as well get a Custom Rig to start with.
I agree with you there. I didn't realize that I would want to upgrade my XPS until after I had purchased it. I'm just saying that if he has no other choice, the 410 can be upgraded for future endeavors.

Regardless, I'm not going to get into another Dell arguement. I'm just tired of enthusiasts' continued-bias against Dells.
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Dad says, "Hey JC why is there a blue screen with a bunch of numbers?"

JC says, "Because I bought a Dell and tried to make it perform well and play games and fold, and the speaker on the motherboard emitting a hyena-laugh like sound and it caught fire. I hate you Dad."

Dad says, "Damn, I thought if I named you after that dude in Deus Ex you could make a "icebreaker" hacking program appear out of nowhere and make this do whatever you wanted it to."

Ok

This will be used as a family computer, thus build it family friendly, not user specific. They don't need an overclocking board.
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Computers are actually pretty hard to mess up. I threw this rig together with no experience, overvolted the living **** out of it, have had my CPU hit 80 before because I misaligned the HSF, and it's crashed a hundred times. Never replaced a single part, it still starts up just fine with my amatuer overclocking. Computers are magic and tend to be good to you. Put all the parts together and it'll do the rest. It's amazingly easy, I would say that building a car, or an exceptionally complicated lego structure is more difficult than assemblind a computer.
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For the record, I have an old dimension that I've put through hell and back, and it still starts up a little faster than this gaming rig. Dells are good machines. I just don't like how pricey their high-end systems get.
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For the record, I have an old dimension that I've put through hell and back, and it still starts up a little faster than this gaming rig. Dells are good machines. I just don't like how pricey their high-end systems get.
Ok. I had been under the impression that you despised absolutely everything about Dells. No worries ;>.
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Hey everyone. Sorry about the stupid title. That was to get your attention. But sadly, it just might become my reality...

See, the thing is that my parents and I are sick of how slow our shared comp is, and I've been given funds to get a hold of a new Vista-installed computer (about $1000-ish). But seeing as how my family has been through a couple nightmarish experiences upgrading even single parts in the past, my parents are pretty adamant about buying a pre-built system from a "respectable" computer company.

According to them, mix-&-matching parts individually will almost always cause incompatibility issues, resulting in a really unstable system if I can even get it to boot up. Thus, I'm stuck with the most respectable company on this side of the ocean: DELL

I've read almost as many good comments as bad about Dell, so I decided to see what they had to offer. Vista, E6600 CPU, no-name 2GB RAM, a no-name monitor I have no option of leaving out, etc no-name, etc no-name............ and the total is $1250. Not a total ripoff! Too bad I'm stuck with a f***ing geforce 7300. Jesus.........

But it doesn't look like I have much of a choice.

The only way I'll be able to go custom-build is if I know for sure that pre-builts being more stable is BS.
Does this paranoia hold any merit? If I just decide to go "w/e! I can handle this s**t!" and something doesn't work, my parents'll probably disown me.

Please give me your sincerest opinions. I'd like nothing more than to save my family money and have some fun in the process, but it's got to be the right choice for me.

Thank you!
If you do your homework and design your computer for stability, then you won't have any issues.

Core 2 Duo E6320 $154.99 (Use Google Checkout)
Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme $49.99
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3R $129.99
2x1GB DDR2-800 Wintec Ampx $79.99
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CoolerMaster Centurion 5 $49.99
Silverstone Strider ST56F PSU $85.00
Vista Home Premium Retail $219.99

Total: $1177.90 (Plus some shipping minus some rebates)

Matched the price of the Dell, with a lot more bang. This will overclock (I suggest a 333Mhz FSB) and perform very well. Most importantly, it will be stable.

If you don't plan on overclocking, we can adjust things to make it cheaper and more stable. For example we would drop the heatsink and change the motherboard.
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JC are you in South Korea?
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I'm just tired of enthusiasts' continued-bias against Dells.
agreed. dell is obviously not the place an enthusiast is going to get a computer, but the rest of the world who thinks overclocking has something to do with time, microsoft word is the greatest invention ever, and loves the idea of warranty and security if their investment gets sick, dell is the best bet.

there is a reason many IT companies, computer companies, and other companies like the lot use dell computers. everyone that works their could build a better computer for less and they know it, but it is a function of their time and the peace of mind knowing that if something breaks nobody has to take time out of their day to deal with it and they ship it back. dell is a very good company at what it was designed to do, which ISN'T build high end customized enthusiast rigs for the people out there that know how to do that themselves.

EDIT: read above posts, felt the same as Aura. glad to see some people dont have the idiotic blind bias
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Ahh already 3 pages! I'll try to respond ASAP. Thanks everyone!



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Any lower-end Dell (like the dimension E520/521) would not be able to do this however. The cases were not designed to be upgraded so easily.
DARN exactly as I had feared...

I guess I should clear this up before I confuse you guys further.
Most of my family and I are in Korea right now, so I'm stuck with rigs shipping within this part of the world, and Dell's Korean site has either the Dimension E500 series which I can't upgrade, or the XPS 710, which costs $2200 for the cheapest available option. DAMN I'm getting shafted even further from these guys.

I spent most of this week drooling over components and playing around with configurations from VelocityMicro and Cyberpowerpc. VelocityMicro seemed so PERFECT. Assurances that they benchmark and test every rig and stuff...

But now the problem with international shipping.... Cyberpowerpc specifically says they don't ship internationally, and VelocityMicro doesn't even mention it. ****e. I guess I'll try emailing VelocityMicro, but NOW that I think about it international shipping costs might even it out with a dell?!....



Well thanks for your replies everyone. I'm glad this thread wasn't completely one-sided! Like I said, you guys kick so much ass. Now that I know Dell's trying to rape me more than I was expecting to put up with, I'm actually leaning a bit towards saying, "To hell with it," and just building my own.

(Whew... all day in front of my computer and I feel like the guy in my avatar....)

It's 2AM here so I'm gonna have to sleep on this matter and talk this over better with my parents in the morning. (with my newfound confidence for support!) Wish me luck, guys!




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