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If you must go Dell, go with an XPS 410 for the base of $899. Then upgrade as needed.

Exactly what I did -
hope you don't ever need warrany repair...
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Dell Dimension Desktops are terrible. The parts are always changing... Get an Optiplex!
Check this out: Only $862!
only 862... or... you could get a core 2 duo for the same price that blows it away...
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Im gonna buy a Dell in 2 months. Im fed up with customs builts.. noisy,unstable,always an error somewhere,spending hours trying to find out whats the problem...etc.

You always end up wasting more money! Anyways this happened to me , Im not saying everybody get issues with their custom-built, but its not safer than a pre-built system having a warranty.

I mean its similar to cars...If you start changing parts in your car and blabla you'll get problems few years after,you ll always end up changing parts every year. But if you buy a brand new car and that you only go to the dealership garage to maintain it, everything will go well and NO HEADACHES!!

Sorry for my english, I hope you ll be able to understand lol
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Originally Posted by rsfkevski View Post
Also, another idea is to find a local shop to see if they'll build you a custom rig for a great price. Let them know your situation and let them know that you COULD build it yourself, but parents want "piece-of-mind"!
With the loose legal regulations concerning computers here, I don't think I want to build from a local shop in Korea again. My bro's last "custom-built" rig came with a pirated version of windows that can't be updated, and we're not sure if any of the hardware's really already unused or not... no way to make sure either, and we can't sue anyone if it dies sooner than expected..

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Originally Posted by KSIMP88 View Post
Dell Dimension Desktops are terrible. The parts are always changing... Get an Optiplex!
Check this out: Only $862!
What the... damn what's with all these options that Dell Korea doesn't offer!


Maybe I should really go custom. Then again, this might be my 3am mind talking. Sorry guys I'll call it a night for real now, and I'll get back to you when my mind's in a better condition!
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Im gonna buy a Dell in 2 months. Im fed up with customs builts.. noisy,unstable,always an error somewhere,spending hours trying to find out whats the problem...etc.

You always end up wasting more money! Anyways this happened to me , Im not saying everybody get issues with their custom-built, but its not safer than a pre-built system having a warranty.

I mean its similar to cars...If you start changing parts in your car and blabla you'll get problems few years after,you ll always end up changing parts every year. But if you buy a brand new car and that you only go to the dealership garage to maintain it, everything will go well and NO HEADACHES!!

Sorry for my english, I hope you ll be able to understand lol

Augh WTH!
Right before I was about to go! Back to square one?
post #56 of 60
ok it breaks down like this,

Theoritically, a pre built system is more stable, Because that is what you are paying for, a complete, stable system. But on OCN buying a prebuilt desktop goes against alot that we believe in.
if you buy a prebuilt is most likely to be guaranteed 100% working compatibility. its also a piece of mind to have warranty on your prebuilt pc.

but the prebuilt sytem stability is not always necessarily true, some builders have just put it together and with no stability test. some do. just because you build your own system does not mean it's unstable, it can be more stable than a dell but it also can't be.

even if you just slap together a bunch of random parts, a computer will most likely be stable, USUALLY a system is unstable not because of hard ware components, but because of software / driver issues. (not including overclocked pcs)

NOW if your going to buy a computer, sure go out and buy one, im sure you'll probably get alot of flaming from OCN, but thats your choice, we all support building your own system.

In regards to building your own system, build one GOOD and don't fiddle with it, lol only to make your parents happy. just build one good and there's no needs to upgrade it later one, except graphics for gaming reasons.

if you do decide to build your own system there are several things you can do to test if it works stably or not. you can run orthos for a day, prime 95 for a day, or some other benchmark / stress test.
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WOW I'm having trouble reading your replies as fast as you guys are posting them! you guys kick ass!


Well, if all else fails I'm considering getting a starved Dell and feeding it upgrades like Hobbes and Aura, but THEN I heard some things about pre-built machines being hard to upgrade and such... (and damn the cheapest Dell XPS line right now is about $2k....)


Mucho gracias for offering to build me a rig! Sounds sweet but I bet my parents will have a fit when they find out it's not from a big name company.... Most likely they'll trust you guys even less than me (which isn't that much!)... I might consider deceiving them with the ol' logo sticker, but I don't wanna think about what'll happen if they find out.


Wow another page of replies as I'm still typing this up. Thanks for the concern guys.. Never had this much sincere help before from an online forum


Well anyways, I guess I could risk building my own, and I could probably make up some stories for my parents to make custom-building seem attractive.
I guess the most important thing is knowing if custom-building is more unstable or not, and it seems from all your posts that the only thing pre-built services offer is testing computers before shipping them out...

Maybe I should just take the plunge and risk it! I don't wanna risk you guys, either haha
Hi J.C.,

Here's my two cents and as a parent, a view from there as well. A custom built system is not by virtue of the build un-stable. What makes it un-stable are drivers, mis-matched components like power supplies, ddr, video cards etc... And if you overclock then that adds instability as well.

Here's the deal and there's no way to get around it. You live in South Korea. What you have available to you locally I can only guess. Parents by nature are conservative and want a good return for the money spent whether it's a computer or household furniture.... So...

I bought a Dell laptop for my daughter for college for several reasons. It came with programs that purchased by themselves are very expensive. I also purchased Dell's 4 year insurance plan. If any thing goes wrong, she sends it back to them for replacement. She doesn't overclock AND I upgraded everything from the get go with regard to hardware. The cpu, hard drive, extra ddr, video card, wireless components, sound card, speakers, etc...

If you buy a Dell, then the upside is: you'll get free programs that will cost you extra on a custom build if you don't already have the original program disks. You can also purchase insurance if you want.... It might be easier for you to get to the local Dell dealer for help and service? Will your system be more stable? I don't know. Adding other programs to a Dell or Compaq or Gateway or HP might make those computers un-stable as well.
The downside: All of the current pre-built computers have cut corners to offer systems at these ridiculous prices. Maybe it's the power supply or mother board or ram or video card or the use of on-board sound/video or all of them..... Somewhere cheaper components are used. In some cases even the computer case was built or provided to Dell with weird internal configurations for cooling and such. (I've torn apart a few pre-built computers and could not believe how they put them together!) Will they all last the 4-6 years you plan on owning your computer, probably yes... If you don't mod them or add components that upset the original build!

If you build your own, then I agree with others. Do it with your family, so that everyones "sees" what they are getting into. It can be a very fun thing to do. I've built a couple with my daughter's help and input. Buy only quality components, install them appropriately and get the right drivers for those components with the operating system you're using. And when I say components do not forget that hard drives, CD/ROMs, cases, and power supplies are all part of that list. Again, maybe in S. Korea the available parts and components are hard to come by, I don't really know.

If you build your own, then using Vista or XP as the operating systems are viable options. I personally would stay with XP, because it is a very mature operating system. Vista is still sorting out bugs, especially with drivers... And buy a "retail disk" of the operating system that you choose to use. Don't forget about the EULA rules and such. I hate to be a wet blanket on that one, but using someone else's disks is not following the EULA rules.

Overall, since your parents will be paying the bill, it will be their choice, BUT with good, and reasonable knowledge input from you.

I hope all of this helped, :-)
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My parents were the same way sort of. I had the money from birthdays and stuff and I wanted to build my own computer. They wouldn't allow me so I just went and bought a pre-built and change out the graphics and psu. Then I finally got my parents to trust me and I built my own computer. Now within the next couple of months I'm going to build another computer for myself. What I think you need to do is someone get your parents to trust you and believe what ever your trying to say.
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hope you don't ever need warrany repair...
Meh, I'm not too worried about it.

I will probably have a new case/mobo around the beginning of '08, and by that point virtually nothing will be original from my Dell. The one warranty that is most important to me is for my GTS, and obviously that is through eVGA.
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If your parents are scared of anything thats not dell, then I'm getting rid of a dell case, I can send you it for postage, and just pretend its dell lol
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