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Hi

I've just setupmy first OC'ing rig. E4300 & GA-965P-DS3P with OCZ DDR2800 Gold.

Anyway, I've dropped the multi to 8x as some people suggest that it doesn't do well with a 9x.

I can get to 8x382 @ 1.3375, seemed stable at first glance, but anymore than that doesn't seem to boot, I even gave it 1.375VCore, I didn't give more than that because I was only going 3MHz more and that didn't even get it to POST (should I keep upping the voltage until it POSTs or is that stupid).

Is this a FSB wall?
Does locking the PCI-E to 100MHz have any bearing on this?
What configs are people using with this MB/CPU combo?
Do I need to adjust any of the other voltages?

Thanks for helping me out.
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post #2 of 12
lock pci e at 100 try 400fsb and the voltage you have now and see if you can post
if not try 1.4
or lower to 7 and 428
or
9 at 333
and you could add volts to vdimm chipset i believe
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the fsb wall is ~400fsb with 8x multi. i used to run 400x8 @1.4315 until i found out that it was better to run a higher overall clock then to max out fsb.

ex. currently im running 356x9 = 3.2 w/ QDR = 1422, it performs almost exactly like 400x8 = 3.2 w/ QDR = 1600 at 8x.

by using the 9x, i can have a clock up to ~3.5 but will have to use really high voltage >1.5
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post #4 of 12
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Originally Posted by s-twig View Post
Hi

I've just setupmy first OC'ing rig. E4300 & GA-965P-DS3P with OCZ DDR2800 Gold.

Anyway, I've dropped the multi to 8x as some people suggest that it doesn't do well with a 9x.

I can get to 8x382 @ 1.3375, seemed stable at first glance, but anymore than that doesn't seem to boot, I even gave it 1.375VCore, I didn't give more than that because I was only going 3MHz more and that didn't even get it to POST (should I keep upping the voltage until it POSTs or is that stupid).

Is this a FSB wall?
Does locking the PCI-E to 100MHz have any bearing on this?
What configs are people using with this MB/CPU combo?
Do I need to adjust any of the other voltages?

Thanks for helping me out.
Read this thread over.. The first post gives some settings to use..
http://www.overclock.net/intel-cpus/...ions-here.html

You are most likely reaching your max fsb.. Tho in some cases by adding 1-5fsb can get you past that wall.. Also, anything over 390fsb will most likely not happen with out a bsel mod.. 400fsb is the limit on no modded 4300's.. Tho some like mine can go 408fsb, there is no change in performance as it is being overdriven at that strap..

Here is the settings I would try..

401 fsb yes 401fsb.. some systems I have built wouldn't post at 400 but would at 401..
1.3375vcore
+.3vdimm
PCIe 100mhz
MCH at stock
Vfsb at stock
Disable C1E and TM2

At the main bios screen if you hit CTR-F1 then goto your OC screen you will see your RAM's timings.. set the first 4 to this 4-4-4-12.. Your RAM will work at those timings.. I have the same RAM.. Don't "boost" your RAM just adjust those timings..

Using the 8x multi allows for lower vcore to be used.. I run 400fsb @1.286vcore.. I haven't seen a 4300 using the 8x multi need more than 1.375.. Most used only 1.3375..

Using a lower multi and raising your fsb instead is better with the 965p chipsets.. When you use a lower multi like 8x you are really oc'ing the NorthBridge as well.. Higher FSB, and Higher NB oc when using the 8x multi.. Faster, and cooler system is the result..


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Originally Posted by luckii View Post
the fsb wall is ~400fsb with 8x multi. i used to run 400x8 @1.4315 until i found out that it was better to run a higher overall clock then to max out fsb.
Now I can't say this for your mobo.. The 965p's will raise the NB freq. when you lower the multi.. the formula for this is - default cpu multi / current cpu multi x fsb = NB freq.... EX. 9/8 x 400 = 450mhz ---- 9/9 x 400 = 400mhz.. This is partially why I see little to no performance difference between 400x8 / 400x9...
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I'll give those suggestions a go. Increasing voltage to the RAM, can you explain how that helps?

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it will help the ram go higher then rated
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I'll give those suggestions a go. Increasing voltage to the RAM, can you explain how that help?

Thanks again.

Default vdimm for the DS3 is 1.8v.. So increasing it to +.3 leaves your RAM at 2.1vdimm.. Gold OCZ is rated 2.0vdimm.. So just go +.1vdimm higher than your RAM's stock voltage.. If you tighten you timings like I suggested this will help you run RAM stable.. OCZ warranties upto 2.2vdimm..


sorry i mis spoke in my last post.. go +.3 not +.4vdimm.. If you left it stock, then this maybe why you can't post any higher.. but that is a slim chance..
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up the RAM volts will help just don't go over 2.4 that will drop life span dramatically.
    
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Thanks for the advice all.

I got to 8x384 with PCI-E 100, 1.4VCore. and +.3 VDimm (I don't know if that made any difference).

It POSTed then booted fine, ran a quick Super PI test but when I restarted it didn't even POST.

Is that normal, strange or what? Booted fine but wouldn't even POST on reboot.

Any ideas...

Also, does tightening my RAM timings help with stability or just give performance. I'm not sure how that works, I haven't adjusted them yet as Munch3r suggested.

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post #10 of 12
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Originally Posted by s-twig View Post
Thanks for the advice all.

I got to 8x384 with PCI-E 100, 1.4VCore. and +.3 VDimm (I don't know if that made any difference).

It POSTed then booted fine, ran a quick Super PI test but when I restarted it didn't even POST.

Is that normal, strange or what? Booted fine but wouldn't even POST on reboot.

Any ideas...

Also, does tightening my RAM timings help with stability or just give performance. I'm not sure how that works, I haven't adjusted them yet as Munch3r suggested.

Thanks
These boards are real touchy man.. They oc very well, but they are picky..

I find that even tho I can run stable with lower than stock vcore at 400fsb x8, not everything below that will post.. Example: 341 =post 340 =no post 378= no post 380=post.. That is just a random example of what I mean.. If at 384 you post sometimes and not others, I would adjust the fsb around 384. Goto 385, 386 or try a little lower 384, 383...

Now at the same time I have found this to be happening with vcore as well.. Example: I post 400fsb @ 1.28vcore but 400fsb @ 1.30vcore will not post.. IDK understand one that at all..

Sounds like your are getting real close man.. Your vcore is still really low and tho that is good, you may still consider increasing it slightly if temps allow.. Also, I don't mess with my timings until I find my stable oc first.. Then I adjust them, so wait till you get your final oc then tweak the ram.....

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