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I'm rather sick of heatsinks and unnecessary fan noise. TEC sounds rather up my ally. But it sounds too easy to work. I know they have a wattage limitation too, but I don't know how to determine if my CPU surpasses the limit, though I'm still considering a Penryn in the near future, so that should further cut the heat and allow a little headroom. I'm not sure... I've never setup a WC system, mainly because I haven't needed to - my 8800 and ram both operate steadily enough temps on air, even OCd. My Q6600 however, idled at about 46-50C, load in the upper 60's-low 70's. Kind of outrageous. But it's also a pretty substantial overclock.

So if anyone can tell me whether or not a TEC system (It does have to be assembled though, I can't make my own, nor do I probably have the patience ) would suffice for my needs, or if the change will be suitable enough. $200 isn't really an issue for me, but it just seems too cheap to work.

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Yes, your CPU would overwhelm a CoolIt system. Your power consumption is probably around 160-200w. Even most real TEC system couldn't handle that load. You would need a 437w TEC and those require a lot of work/power.

Besides, CoolIt systems do make noise. For $200, just get a watercooling system that would beat the CoolIt in performance and noise.
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So, under $500, is there in existence a TEC cooler that would work for it? Or is it impossibly difficult to build one capable (I'll read up on it too though, I'm not asking you to spoon feed me) enough?
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So, under $500, is there in existence a TEC cooler that would work for it? Or is it impossibly difficult to build one capable (I'll read up on it too though, I'm not asking you to spoon feed me) enough?
The only TEC system that would be effective would to be a direct mounted undervolted 437w TEC. However, you would still need a very good watercooling system to handle that load (500-800w is a lot of heat). You would be looking at $400-500 worth of parts.

Instead, spend $500 and get a custom built phase unit.

However, it you want less noise... just build a $250 high-end watercooling system.
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Alright, well that Vapochill unit is about $650 from Newegg, and there's someone on the forum running a Q6600 at 4.1ghz, so it kinda seems like that 200W limit on the LightSpeed doesn't matter, or isn't too much of a hinderance. Is it worth getting? The Penryns will run a lower output wattage right? Or at least cooler, I hope. So that should give more room for OC I guess... Or I have no idea what I'm talking about. Even then, the Q6600 is fine for me, so at 4.1 I'll be even more satisfied.

But... Is the investment worth it?
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Alright, well that Vapochill unit is about $650 from Newegg, and there's someone on the forum running a Q6600 at 4.1ghz, so it kinda seems like that 200W limit on the LightSpeed doesn't matter, or isn't too much of a hinderance. Is it worth getting? The Penryns will run a lower output wattage right? Or at least cooler, I hope. So that should give more room for OC I guess... Or I have no idea what I'm talking about. Even then, the Q6600 is fine for me, so at 4.1 I'll be even more satisfied.

But... Is the investment worth it?
It does matter. Give it a few weeks and the unit will burn out. The evaporator head has to be modified for long term use. A custom phase unit will be cheaper. You can get one for $300-600.
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Ah, I see, I see. So... How does one accomplish that? Is there a certain company that makes custom phase units?
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Ah, I see, I see. So... How does one accomplish that? Is there a certain company that makes custom phase units?
No, you get someone to build it for you. Check www.xtremesystems.org for builders. However, make sure you understand how assemble and mount a phase before doing so.
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Warning => Opinion from TEC happy user.

I'm a bit surprised by the statement I see about Quad core CPU and how TEC are supposed to be bad compared to all user who commonly have WC setup.

I own a Vapochill, a storm CPU WC double pump Setup, a Moonsoon Air/TEC cooler and a Coolit Freezone.

I tried only with dual core E6400,E6300 and X6800.
At stock the core temp are 24 degree for Freezone, 28 for Moonsoon and 36 for de CPU WC (single pump).
So if you stay stock they are far better choice IMO.

In now way the Coolit Freezone will be outperformed by a cheap 200 US WC setup.

500 USD, yes no problem but 200 USD, it’s not gonna happen.
Good pump (DC5) =50 USD
Three good fans = 60 USD
Tube 1/2 + hoses = 15 USD
WB CPU Swiftech = 70 USD
360 RAD = 50 USD
Reservoir = 40 USD
Probably a few fittings because 1/2 is not always on rad or res.

It’s going to be more expensive as you will have to dremel your case (yeah nobody ever mentions that) or by expensive mounting in your case (add 50 bucks minimum). Except if you already have a TJ07…

Anyway you can get all of these for 300 if you are lucky. Which is the price of a Freezone compared to Eliminator btw.

TEC AIR cooler can stand stable 3600 MHZ OC on X6800 24/7 with no problem. The same of course for the Coolit which can stand 3.8 ghz.
This is the limit for a single pump and single 360 rad T setup or reservoir in my concern

Oh yeah WC loop can outperform the coolit but:
You need another pump. You need to mod your case so the loop get shorter. You need more fans and a SHROUD!
Without a good shroud I doubt you have good perf anyways. It cost nothing except skill(not much though) and time.
I know very well because that’s what I did.
However this good WC setup is closer to 500 usd than 200 I’m afraid. You have already two TEC cooler for this price…

Now another thing important that nobody will accept to tell you because this is taboo in OC forums (Flame me! :-P):

Sure UV fluid look cool. But it takes a lot of space and is bad for air flow through the system.
If you want to show off with your friend, Coolit and Moonsoon suck I agree I prefer to show my WC loop and Phase change.

Also don’t forget that no matter what cooling you use Mofset needs good air flow which is easy with compact TEC system.
Except it you WC your NB and SB but again forget the 200 USD budget.

Another big point, nobdody ever talk about.
Coolit and Moonsoon have a security in case TEC fails, with WC if you leak (and one day or another it is going to happen) this is really bad for you. Of course you can use Fluid XP but not for your 200 USD budget. You even don’t need likeage, let’s say that a tube suddenly move and start to press the water so the flow reduce. How will you know? Ok you have a flow meter, in your budget? I don t think so.
There is also this strange idea that after 24 hours test you can leave the WC setup forever. This is wrong. If it was, why would you have so many plumbers in town .

Don’t take me wrong, I love WC setup but I’m not a fanboy for any special kind of cooling. In EU and US cooling by WC setup is cool while in Japan compact system are preferred.

I have one enthusiast rig with the vapochill mounted in a V2000 and there is no big problem to OC through 4 ghz with good mobo and Micron DX9 chip.
The next Perryn Quadcore would “burn up†my Vapochill? Really?

Hum, it could stand awful P4 Netburst but it can’t stand new generation of energy friendly Quad CPU?
Maybe…I couldn’t try these Perryn Cpus, but it seems many did !
I think the problem is the shape or CPU. The Vapochill is trying to cold the middle while Quad core (I believe) asks to cold the corners of the Chip.

That’s the same problem for WC users, they need to change to WB (EK is supposed to be the best at this IMO) which is a lot easier than replacing Vapochill evaporator.

So to sum up my advice =
TEC Air or Water => Good, reliable, cheap, compact, safe. Try and check by yourself.
WC setup => It depends on the investment. 200 USD WC < TEC Water and Air.< 500 USD WC.
Phase Change Vapochill (or Promo) => Customized from XS have the reputation to be the best (but never tried myself) but there is no way a WC rig beats LS and Promo (except Water chilled :-P).
    
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Just to let you know, Coolit has shown a unit called Boreas which can cool G80 SLI GPU + KENTSFIELD CPU at 3.46 ghz.

The unit can stand 600W (!!) while the eliminator does 125w and freezone 175w.

It is already available for OEM saler but the unit will be sold directly to customer soon.

Also if you can t wait, remember that like phase change the Coolit are sometime custom. If you put a 120 fan it will be a lot more efficient. Some also have managed to put two Freezone in the same loop, this is enough for your Quad OC.
    
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