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First off, I thought about other methods, TEC, Phase, etc... But TEC is too complicated - and unnecessarily so - and phase is just too expensive and unnecessary for my purpose. I just need coolER, not crazy cold. Although props to anyone who can figure that stuff out.

Mainly though, I want to know, as I do play some LAN games with a couple friends sometimes, does WC require any special treatment when it comes to transportation? Do I need to drain it or something crazy like that?

I was mainly looking at this for a kit - or atleast the components of it would work pretty well for my needs. http://www.petrastechshop.com/pecosliel.html

$400 is about where I'd like to spend for some good components that won't screw me over hopefully. Anything less I'm a little shaky on, since I'm a beginner with WCing and don't want failure due to bad hardware. I've researched alot of different cooling methods, but watercooling and chilled watercooling are the only two that appealed to me price-wise and feasibility-wise. But if you guys can offer any help on how difficult it is to go chilled, I'd appreciate it. I don't know much about it, but it sounds like a great suppliment to WCing

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That's probably the best kit.

When transporting, you don't have to drain it. Just make absolutely sure that you use nice tight hose clamps. You might want to use 7/16" tubing since they are snug plus clamps. Also, avoid shaking the PC too much during transportation. The risk is always there... just minimize it.
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Thermochill PA120.2
: $119.99
ThermoChill PA-Series Shroud (Black)
: $14.99
Fittings (Plastic) - Thermochill Radiators
: $1.50
DD12V-D5 Pump Variable Speed
: $89.45
Copper topped TDX Block for Intel 775 Processors
: $52.95
DD - 8800 GTS
Our price: $134.99
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Theres a start for you. DangerDen has great products, and fast shipping. I'm sure others will recommend some different CPU blocks, as you have a Q4...the TDX is cheap and will do the job however.

*Two things to consider, will be a larger radiator..or even two of the ones I listed. The second would be buying a cheaper GPU block, instead of the full coverage block. The PA120.2 is listed to dissipate 500W of heat at load. With that Q4 and the 8800...you are close to 300W around full load, stock, with just those components alone. A PA120.3 or even a quad-heater core would be a real good place to start, if you plan on overclocking.
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That's a good kit, but I'm not sure it includes all the ram sinks for the 8800. If I had to do it again with the 8800, I would get the D-tek unisink for the ram. Also make sure the MCW60 includes the G80 adapter kit.

You might also consider some higher cfm fans, running CPU plus two 8800s is alot of heat, but it should be ok, you might just see some higher water temps.
    
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Thermochill PA120.2
: $119.99
ThermoChill PA-Series Shroud (Black)
: $14.99
Fittings (Plastic) - Thermochill Radiators
: $1.50
DD12V-D5 Pump Variable Speed
: $89.45
Copper topped TDX Block for Intel 775 Processors
: $52.95
DD - 8800 GTS
Our price: $134.99
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Theres a start for you. DangerDen has great products, and fast shipping. I'm sure others will recommend some different CPU blocks, as you have a Q4...the TDX is cheap and will do the job however.

*Two things to consider, will be a larger radiator..or even two of the ones I listed. The second would be buying a cheaper GPU block, instead of the full coverage block. The PA120.2 is listed to dissipate 500W of heat at load. With that Q4 and the 8800...you are close to 300W around full load, stock, with just those components alone. A PA120.3 or even a quad-heater core would be a real good place to start, if you plan on overclocking.
What's a shroud used for anyway? I've never figrued that out. I always knew it was optional, but... Not what's it for. And on the topic of not understanding things, a 'radbox' is to attach a radiator to the back of the case right? WC is new territory for me
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And actuall... I'm really not sure about cooling my 8800 now that I think of it; I have Bleeding Edge Syndrome sometimes, and I do tend to upgrade. Just seems to me like removing the fan and sinks from the GPU would become a real hassle if I wanted to sell it. Especially since it's only a GTS (640), and a GTX is somewhat on the horizon, or even with the 9XXX series. I'm not sure. It seems like just a CPU loop would be a waste though, but I could add another radiator + GPU block right? (I'm thinking [even though I know the more radiators/the longer the radiator, the lower flow rate there is, so maybe another pump would be in order if I'm looking at a triple radiator for my Q6600?] that I could add a single or double radiator solely for the GPU perhaps)

And also: The Laing DDC-3.2 Pump is about how much worse than the D5? I really want the D5, but using the Apogee GTX instead of the regular FuZion waterblock puts some fears to rest, the only other thing is that in the Petra kit it seems to have a much weaker pump than I would have wanted, but the kit saves quite a bit of money (Minus the fact that I probably won't use that second G80 waterblock) I think. My only qualm is with the pump. Will that prove to be an issue with the flow rate or anything like that?
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And actuall... I'm really not sure about cooling my 8800 now that I think of it; I have Bleeding Edge Syndrome sometimes, and I do tend to upgrade. Just seems to me like removing the fan and sinks from the GPU would become a real hassle if I wanted to sell it. Especially since it's only a GTS (640), and a GTX is somewhat on the horizon, or even with the 9XXX series. I'm not sure. It seems like just a CPU loop would be a waste though, but I could add another radiator + GPU block right? (I'm thinking [even though I know the more radiators/the longer the radiator, the lower flow rate there is, so maybe another pump would be in order if I'm looking at a triple radiator for my Q6600?] that I could add a single or double radiator solely for the GPU perhaps)

And also: The Laing DDC-3.2 Pump is about how much worse than the D5? I really want the D5, but using the Apogee GTX instead of the regular FuZion waterblock puts some fears to rest, the only other thing is that in the Petra kit it seems to have a much weaker pump than I would have wanted, but the kit saves quite a bit of money (Minus the fact that I probably won't use that second G80 waterblock) I think. My only qualm is with the pump. Will that prove to be an issue with the flow rate or anything like that?
You might want to check out fstfrddy's CPU blocks...He makes them for Forum members..They are what I use and I really like them..They cool great and they are very well made..

...http://www.stingerwaterblocks.mysite.com/
Stinger WB

A fan has a flow pattern that kind of looks like a do-nut...The farther you move your fan from the rad the more the hole in the center closes...I think the optimal distance is 1.5" I run mine 3/4" and they seem to do fine...

A rad-box connects to the rear fan mount on your case it can fit 80-120mm fan mounts...

I wouldn't buy the newest variant of the 18W DDC with the blue impeller its performance is not nearly as good as the previous orange impeller DDC...You may be able to still find the orange impeller DDC but if you want one you better find one fast...Try at Petra's and Sidewinders...They new variant is supposed to do away with some of the reliability issues but at the cost of its performance...The D-5 is a fine reliable pump...

Here is some good reading for a new WC'er...I'll leave a cleaning PDF for you also...

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...ing-setup.html
Assembling your Custom Watercooling Setup

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...-wc-setup.html
Bleeding my WC setup... - Overclock.net - Overclocking.net

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...g-english.html
Water Cooling - In English

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles993/
PC Water Coolant Chemistry - Part I

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...stall-tip.html
D-Tek Fuzion install tip! -(Or why you should clean you new blocks)...

...http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...diators-2.html
Poll: Push or pull configuration for Radiators - Page 2 -

...http://www.overclock.net/faqs/118766...ce-shroud.html
How To: Build A Performance Shroud

...http://www.overclockers.com/articles223/
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What's a shroud used for anyway? I've never figrued that out. I always knew it was optional, but... Not what's it for. And on the topic of not understanding things, a 'radbox' is to attach a radiator to the back of the case right?
Shrouds are for an extra level of performance from your radiator. It allows for more air to be pushed or pulled through the radiator. It works by equalizing the pressure across the surface of the radiator. If you are going with a lower CFM fan, I would highly recommend one.

I believe Ira already answered your Q about the rad-box. I'm more into destruction and chaos, so I chopped the 'head' off of my case to install the rad.
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