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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
I think that's a stupid thing to say. First of all, vista has only been out 6 months, so of course there aren't all that many viruses/threats out yet. Most users are still on XP!

I could see Linux as being a security hazard, though, as it is open source. Of course, as it's been said many times before, not enough people use the OS for it to be a primary target. I suppose if more people used it, it would be easy to hack and stuff cuz:

a) The people using it are hackers anyway (as in comp-wizes)
b) The system is open source

But at this point, i'm sure Linux has less security threats than any MS OS and maybe even OS X.
Its not that easy to 'hack' a linux box, b/c to do any real harm you'll need to get into the root account, and if the box is setup right, that is tough.
Just b/c its open source doesn't mean its easier to hack b/c it maybe poorly coded. IMO, some of the coders/hacks that work on linux are genius, looking at a lot of kernel code, it make me want to be just that much better of a coder. You have companies like SUN and IBM working on it too.

I want to see a comparision with OpenBSD.

Also in the article it said in the first 6 months RHE 4 had 129 bugs.
Want I'd like to know is all those bugs in the based system in RHE 4 or does it include all the bugs that are contained in the RHE 4 distribution, thats like 15,000 apps. So theres bound to be tons of bugs. But then does a bug in ssh or apache or mysql count as a bug in Red Hat 4, I think not.

I know most Distro release bug notices in apps that they contain. It should not count against them though. They're not involved in that project.
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post #12 of 37
imo i dont care if its secure i just want them to make it preform better than XP and less "program is not responding" lolz i have vista but im sticking with it as im sure they will patch it
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post #13 of 37
Open source is more secure cause some of the best hackers in the world work on it to help make it more secure.
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Nothing is more secure than Linux
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post #15 of 37
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Originally Posted by The Hundred Gunner View Post
I think that's a stupid thing to say. First of all, vista has only been out 6 months, so of course there aren't all that many viruses/threats out yet. Most users are still on XP!

I could see Linux as being a security hazard, though, as it is open source. Of course, as it's been said many times before, not enough people use the OS for it to be a primary target. I suppose if more people used it, it would be easy to hack and stuff cuz:

a) The people using it are hackers anyway (as in comp-wizes)
b) The system is open source

But at this point, i'm sure Linux has less security threats than any MS OS and maybe even OS X.
Firefox is open source and a hella lot more secure than IE (closed source), and lots of people use Firefox.
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Old article, but it's valid here.

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if that's the most damage I can get by running viruses with Wine under a dummy account, then it's clear that the Wine developers have a long way to go before Wine is truly Windows compatible.

http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?s...30222&from=rss
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post #17 of 37
linux confuses me... lol but any os is vulnerable in my opinion. if people are willing to do harm then there is a chance. but clearly people will target the most widely used OS which is windows.
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Vista may be more secure than XP but only because they use the same idea as linux with their new safety features and rights restrictions.. They are just jealous.
    
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Man - so many people in this thread parroting the market share myth. If the number of users was the reason that hackers target an OS every virus would be written for linux since the web runs on linux (mostly). Servers are much juicier targets than your grandmother's P3, but much harder to hack becuase they are built from a secure base (unix). In the server world a huge percentage of malware/exploits targets windows server even though its market share is very low. This is because hacking windows systems is easier for a number of reasons that I would be glad to go into should anybody so wish.

As to the article - the number of exploits in an OS is an idiotic metric to use when considering OS security. Using it completely disregards the fact that most exploits are performed through software running on an OS rather than through some facet of the OS itself. The fact that the number they're using to compare Vista is 12 vulnerabilities shows just how ridiculous their statements are even if you go by their measurement system.

Metrics in general are idiotic to use when considering OS security unless you use a whole lot at the same time. The important things to consider are how the OS handles different requests and what protections it offers to system and users' files
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Man - so many people in this thread parroting the market share myth. If the number of users was the reason that hackers target an OS every virus would be written for linux since the web runs on linux (mostly). Servers are much juicier targets than your grandmother's P3, but much harder to hack becuase they are built from a secure base (unix). In the server world a huge percentage of malware/exploits targets windows server even though its market share is very low. This is because hacking windows systems is easier for a number of reasons that I would be glad to go into should anybody so wish.

As to the article - the number of exploits in an OS is an idiotic metric to use when considering OS security. Using it completely disregards the fact that most exploits are performed through software running on an OS rather than through some facet of the OS itself. The fact that the number they're using to compare Vista is 12 vulnerabilities shows just how ridiculous their statements are even if you go by their measurement system.

Metrics in general are idiotic to use when considering OS security unless you use a whole lot at the same time. The important things to consider are how the OS handles different requests and what protections it offers to system and users' files
The article writers just done got pwnd.

Open-source bugs and vulnerabilities tend to get fixed faster due to the
fact that the people using it know how to fix the problems. When you
close off that source, you cause the problems to fester and remain
unattended to. When a bug in OSS gets found it's usually fixed
fairly fast, faster when it's a security vulnerability. Microsoft developers = limited,
OSS developers = as many as there are people who can program and use said
software.

That's just my opinion, and although worded quite badly, I feel is valid.
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