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OHH OK So intel is better for gaming now , i just made a post to see which way i should go..with examples on 2 diff systems mobo and processor..i was wondering about that....
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OHH OK So intel is better for gaming now , i just made a post to see which way i should go..with examples on 2 diff systems mobo and processor..i was wondering about that....
It is, but it doesn't matter unless you are building a new system. The actual gaming performance difference is small.
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This is helpful

Intel is currently winning the war against AMD(for now)
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AMD is better for something and worse for others. Many advantages and many flaws. There is no clear cut winner. But if you ask me AMD is better although Intel's chips win. Were talking companies AMD is a better company because they have had the lead almost since they showed up. But with chips currently C2Q wins as long as your talking only chips that have been released.
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Look at it this way. Core (Intel) is a highway with a lot more lanes, less accidents, and higher speed limits.
Are you implying Core 2s are more stable?
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Well here is an academic take on how Intel kicks AMD's @$$. Written by muah (copy paste into word and double space it so it's readable (someone show me how to post a word doc o)).

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05/10/2007
The Choice

A middle aged man walks into the local electronics store. A little dazed by all the new technology surrounding him, he proceeds to the computer section of the store. Greeted by a young man wearing blue, the old man tells him that he needs a new computer. The young man shows him all sorts of different computers, laptops, monitors, and accessories to coincide with the computer. The young and old man start going through the specifications of a new computer. First to come up is the brand name, which doesn’t matter as much as what is inside the computer. Then, they came to the most important part of a computer, the Central Processing Unit, or rather the CPU. The old man said that he wanted a CPU produced by Advanced Micro Devices (AMD). The young man said he should purchase a computer with an Intel inside, and so goes another day of the battle between Intel and AMD for dominance in the multi-billion dollar Personal Computer (PC) market.
According to Ann McIver McHoes (an author, educator, and consultant, she wrote Understanding Operating Systems, a textbook used at Universities in the U.S., she also directed public relation events for Intel’s Science Talent Search), Intel was founded in 1968 with Robert Noyce, co-inventor of the integrated circuit, and Gordon Moore. The name Intel come from INTegrated ELectronics, instead of the founder’s names, Moore-Noyce, which would have made it sounded like “more noise.” According to AMD’s history page, AMD was founded on May 1, 1969 with Jerry Sanders and seven friends. With AMD consistently gaining market share over the last decade or so, more and more people believe that AMD is a superior CPU manufacturer, yet Intel is a better CPU manufacturer than AMD.
However, not everyone believes this. Some people even believe that AMD CPUs are faster than Intel’s, and that AMD CPUs are less expensive. Others believe that AMD CPUs use less power to operate. But are these reasons true?
Although some people believe that AMD CPU’s are faster than Intel CPU’s, this simply is not true. Take for example the fact that AMD top of the line CPUs are not faster than Intel top of the line CPUs. According to Scott Harrington, a Senior Project Lead at Select University Technologies, Inc., and has been in the integrated chips (IC) [CPU] industry since 1978, Intel top of the line processors are better choice for speed. Also, according to Tom’s Hardware (an industry leading computer parts review periodical website) CPU performance charts, one can see the performance gap between AMD and Intel (CPU Chart). The two processors being examined are the fastest processor from Intel, the Core 2 Duo QX6700, and from AMD, the Athlon FX-74, hence forth known as the QX6700, and FX-74, respectively.
A great example to show that Intel top of the line is faster than AMD top of the line is a multitasking benchmark, which times a certain amount of tasks for the computer to complete. Tom’s Hardware used a benchmark which tested Microsoft Word-PDF Maker (which converts any Word document into a PDF document) and AVG Antivirus (an antivirus protection program, here being used to scan the computer’s hard drive for a virus) running at the same time. Having multiple applications running at the same time is extremely common, and the ability to quickly complete multiple tasks at the same time is a must for all computer users. Tom’s Hardware reported that the QX6700 received a score of 2:34 min, while the FX-74 received a score of 3:18 min. Although one minute difference is a very small amount of time in perspective of say an eight hour shift of working at a computer, that one minute can quickly add up with the same tasks being done over and over again. Also, the speed of one being one minute faster is equivalent to being roughly thirty two percent faster.
In another benchmark, Tom’s Hardware tested the two processors with Xvid 1.1.0, an open source video encoder and decoder for playing and compressing videos, and had the CPUs encode the first five minutes of Terminator 2 SE DVD. The QX6700 completed with a time of 3:41 min and the FX-74 with 5:18 min. This benchmark was merely the first five minutes of a 152 minute movie. To encode the entire movie at this rate would take the QX6700 roughly 101 minutes and the FX-74 roughly 161 minutes. The FX-74 would take a whole hour longer!
Also, in another benchmark, Tom’s Hardware tested the two with Futuremark’s (a leading provider of PC and handheld device performance information and services) PC Mark 2005 (a “world de-facto” standard for benchmarking PC’s and is recognized by over 250 PC magazines internationally). The QX6700 tested with a score of 8607 while the FX-74 tested with a score of 7697. The percentage difference for this test is roughly fifteen percent.
Based on these tests, one can mathematically realize the outstanding performance the QX6700 has over the FX-74. Even though the differences are minutes or seconds, or a couple hundred points, the actual percentage gain of performance is tremendous. From benchmarks of multitasking, video encoding, and synthetic tests, one can conclude that top of the line Intel CPUs are faster than AMDs top of the line CPUs.
Some people believe that AMD CPU’s are less expensive. But, price is relative to performance, for the cliché of “you get what you pay for” truly applies to realm of cutting edge processors from Intel and AMD. Intel and AMD processors that are in the same price bracket do not perform the same. Intel processors perform better for the money, and have a better cost for performance. Intel dominates the top of the line processors, and Intel also succeeds to win the midrange price bracket. The Intel Core 2 Duo e6600, henceforth referred to as the e6600, currently sells for $227 from Newegg (one the top selling computer parts internet retailer), while the AMD Athlon x2 6000+, henceforth referred to as 6000+, sells for $230 dollars (Intel). Three dollars is a miniscule factor of the equation, so they are priced equally, yet the e6600 performs better.
In the same multitasking benchmark as stated earlier with Word-PDF maker and AVG Antivirus running, Tom’s Hardware reported the e6600 scoring a time of 3:06 min, and the 6000+ scoring a time of 3:08 min. Two seconds difference. Again in another similar benchmark timing how long it takes to encode five minutes of terminator 2 se, the e6600 scored a time of 3:57 min, and the 6000+ scored a time of 4:29 min. A thirty-two second difference. Also, on the Futuremark’s pc mark 2005 test, the e6600 scored a mark of 6168, while the 6000+ scored a mark of 6146. A twenty two point difference. The difference is clear, Intel has a faster mainstream processor and more bang for the buck.
Although some people believe that AMD processors use up less power to operate, this is simply not true. Power consumption is an issue because the average PC is rated to use about 350 or more watts. If more PC’s were to use less power, then it would be more environmentally friendly, and save money with a reduced power bill.
According to a review by Scott Wasson (a editor-in-chief for tech report, with eight years in the IT industry, and has been writing CPU reviews since the classic AMD Athlon processors came out in 1999) the top of the line QX6700 used 136 watts of power during idle, while the FX-74 used up 196 while idle. Sixty watts is a huge difference. Sixty watts is a forty-four percent difference between the two. Also, according to the Irish times, in Dublin Ireland, Sun Microsystems and Intel have made a “’landmark alliance’ in which Intel chips would power Sun server product line… ” later on Sumit Dhanda, Bank of America semiconductor analyst, went on to say that: ”Intel's new… processors are boasting better performance/power consumption versus AMD's…” (“Intel seals…”) Obviously one can conclude that from Sumit Dhanda and Scott Wasson’s research that Intel processors provide better power consumption than AMDs.
Besides producing the best top of the line, mainstream, and most power efficient processors, Intel also produces the best processors to over-clock. To over-clock is to raise the operating frequency of the processor, especially because processor speeds within the same product line of the same manufacturer are the largest difference.
Online forums provide a great community of help to people who are new at over-clocking or veteran over-clocker’s who need some assistance. Inside the forums, hundreds of people post FAQ’s to over-clocking, DIY guides, and thousands more provide support.
Online forum websites prove their over-clocker’s with a software program called CPU-z; CPU-z is developed by CPUID, an IT industry leading software developer. CPU-z has been used at trade shows by Intel (CPU-Z). CPU-z is a program that allows the user to view detailed system specifications, such as the processor speed, memory speed, and many other features. This program is useful, because it allows over-clocker’s to prove their over-clock speed.
Also to prove stability (for many people believe that an over-clocked system is an unstable one, but when over-clocked too far, it does become unstable) the over-clocker’s use prime95, a program that puts the processor through a thorough “torture test” by having the computer find Mersenne prime numbers. As taken from the Mersenne website “A Mersenne prime is a prime number of the form 2P-1.” The last found Mersenne prime number was 232,582,657-1(), a nine point eight million digit number. So to prove stability of an over-clock, the over-clocker tests the computer with prime95, and the program compares the results to proven results. If any results from the processor are not exactly the same as the proven results, then the system is not stable because it cannot operate properly.
According to Intel’s website, the Core 2 Duo e4300 operates at a frequency of 1.86 GHz with a cost of $114 when purchased from Newegg, an industry leading online computer parts retailer, and the Core 2 Duo extreme x6800 operates at a frequency of 2.93 GHz with a cost of $975. According to Anand Lal Shimpi, a graduate of North Carolina State with a degree in Computer Engineering with focus in microprocessor [CPU] architecture and design, Editor-in-chief and CEO of Anandtech.com, a leading online hardware review website, the e4300 can run stable at a speed of 3.38 GHz. On a benchmark of encoding a video using DivX, a program similar to the previously mentioned Xvid 1.1.0, the e4300 scored a time of sixty seconds, while the X6800 scored a time of sixty-eight seconds. On several other benchmarks, the e4300 bested the X6800 (Anand).
With the proper software and hardware, anyone can easily learn to become an over-clocker can easily over-clock a $114 dollar CPU, and make it faster than a non-over-clocked $999 dollar CPU.
Besides only manufacturing CPUs that are greater than AMDs, Intel also created the Intel architecture lab (IAL). With the IAL, Intel created new technologies that relate to the CPU. According to Jeff Tyson and Ed Grabianowski at how stuff works, one of the most commonly known technologies IAL created was the peripheral component interconnect (PCI). The PCI was created in 1991 (Tyson). PCI is used to connect multiple devices to the motherboard of a computer at the same time, devices such as a sound card, modem, and countless other peripherals. The PCI bus gained popularity due to plug and play compatibility (PnP), “Plug and Play (PnP) means that you can connect a device or insert a card into your computer and it is automatically recognized and configured to work in your system” (Tyson). With PnP widely available, more people can easily upgrade their computer on their own. PCI-express was also created by Intel, it is a new bus which is faster and capable of handling more bandwidth than PCI, and “might even make the manufacturing of motherboards even cheaper” (Tyson). PCI express slots also accept older PCI cards. PCI-express is also scalable with 1x-16x speed capabilities, and has replaced the advanced graphics port (AGP) (Tyson). Obviously, Intel has also designed crucial elements of technology that are in everyday consumer computers, which compliment their great CPUs.
Apple computers and pc’s run by a Microsoft or Linux operating system (OS) have been battling over market share since the 80’s. Since then, the PC has used CPUs by Intel and AMD, and Apple has used CPUs created by IBM. On June 6, 2005, Apple announced that it will switch away from IBM PowerPC, to Intel’s CPUs (Kerris). Steve Jobs, Apple Inc. CEO stated that “Our goal is to provide our customers with the best personal computers in the world, and looking ahead Intel has the strongest processor roadmap by far… It’s been ten years since our transition to the PowerPC, and we think Intel’s technology will help us create the best personal computers for the next ten years” (Kerris). Clearly, apple recognizes Intel’s potential to create great processors, and therefore is switching to Intel.
Also, in a recent survey conducted by Swamp_Man, with the question of “Are Intel processors better than AMD processors?” thirty three out of fifty people responded yes. Obviously, the public majority believes that despite many claims for AMD being a better processor, they simply do no override the fact that Intel is a better choice.
As previously stated, Intel has faster processors for the high, and midrange price brackets. Intel has also created complimentary technologies that have helped bring PC’s to where they are in the current day. Besides used to only benefiting PC’s, Intel also benefits Apple Inc. Macintosh computers with their processors. Obviously, Intel is better than AMD.



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Barrington, Scott. Programmer Lead. Personal phone interview on May 8, 2007.
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Anand, Shimpi L. “Intel Core 2 Duo E4300: Affordable and Highly Overclockable.” January 10, 2007. http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets...spx?i=2903&p=3. May 10, 2007.
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Selnick, Daniel. Personal survey conducted at the Brea Mall on May 10, 2007.
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Look at it this way. Core (Intel) is a highway with a lot more lanes, less accidents, and higher speed limits.
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Are you implying Core 2s are more stable?
I think that pauldovi is refering to the natural random miss calculations and errata that occur in all processors from time to time. In laymen terms, whenever a processor miss-calculates data, it will need to be reprocoessed. This involves flushing the processor pipeline and executeing the data again. Core 2's pipeline isn't as long as AMD's so this can be done quicker as and when the issue presents itself.
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Plz tell me how you intend to compare a QUAD core to a DUAL core. Just give AMD some time and their Phenom FX core or w/e they're called will be right up there if not better than the C2D.
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Just give AMD some time and their Phenom FX core or w/e they're called will be right up there if not better than the C2D.
Perhaps, though I'm sceptical. Simply adding a dedicated L3 cache, which not many home applications would use, and changeing a few execution algorithms isn't exactly as ground breaking as AMD is trying to make out. We'll know in November but for the next five months or so Core 2 will remain the king.
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I think that pauldovi is refering to the natural random miss calculations and errata that occur in all processors from time to time. In laymen terms, whenever a processor miss-calculates data, it will need to be reprocoessed. This involves flushing the processor pipeline and executeing the data again. Core 2's pipeline isn't as long as AMD's so this can be done quicker as and when the issue presents itself.
Yes but this happens less overall in AMD CPU.
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