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I am putting this here because I could not find a general help section. Feel free to move this wherever it belongs! I am just posting here because I have an AMD system.

I'm not sure where to place this but I have had this new system for just over a month and still haven't actually got it to bootup (specs in sig). It turns on fine and all fans and CPU seem to be running fine but there is no display on my screen. I have ruled out the videocard because I have tested it in other computers and it works fine. I have RMA'd the processor because the D-Led system told me that my processor was damaged. Upon replacing it and popping the new one in, I recieved the same problem. no display! =/. I am in the process of RMAing my motherboard in an attempt to rule out what could be causing this error. The last thing I could check would be my 2 new RAM sticks. I have heard that they run at a certain voltage that is not covered by the motherboard at the first bootup. I was told to put a cheap DDR2 256mb ram stick that is stated as supported by the MSI website (such as kingston, corsair, etc.) just to get it to show the startup screens and access the bios and then change the RAM voltage to the supported voltage of my 2 sticks and everything would run fine. I was wondering if not having the right voltage set would cause the screen to not display anything. Please give me your thoughts!

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Unfortunately some motherboards cannot boot with ram rated at 2.0 volts on default settings. The boards were designed to run on 1.8 volts as is the case with DDR2 667 ram. A majority of DDR2 800 ram runs on 2.0 volts so therein lies the problem.
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I'm not totally clear on what you told me. So the problem is definitely with my RAM? If so should I go about buying a cheap ram stick to change my BIOS settings? Are my symptoms those of the wrong RAM voltage?

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The last thing I could check would be my 2 new RAM sticks. I have heard that they run at a certain voltage that is not covered by the motherboard at the first bootup. I was told to put a cheap DDR2 256mb ram stick that is stated as supported by the MSI website (such as kingston, corsair, etc.) just to get it to show the startup screens and access the bios and then change the RAM voltage to the supported voltage of my 2 sticks and everything would run fine.
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My response was to clarify your statement about the RAM not being covered by the motherboard at first bootup. What the manufacturer is stating is that their default settings of their bios will only recognize 1.8v RAM. Most DDR2 800 RAM runs at 2.0v and therefore would not be recognised by the motherboards default settings. However, if you have a DDR2 667 module that runs at 1.8v, you could put in one stick and boot into the bios. From there you can maunually change the memory voltage to 2.0v, save settings and shut down the computer. Swap your DDR2 800 memory and the computer will boot. I know it is lame, but that is the only way. Now I cant be certain if this is the problem, but it could be. I would recommend trying this next if you have access to DDR2 667 memory.
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Ok yea that's what I was told to do. I don't currently have access to DDR2 667 ram at the moment but I can just run down to the store and buy some cheap kingston valueram of some sort. If my RMA'd motherboard gives me the same error, than the RAM is definitely the problem as I will have replaced everything else. Hopefully it will be as problem-free as it sounds. But also a question you havent answered yet (ofcourse if you do not know the answer than just let me know): If I have a possible voltage problem would I have the symptoms that I do? (No startup display, just a blank screen). Or should I be getting some sort of error about my RAM voltage being wrong or something?


::edit::

Also, I would just like to know: On newegg, it says my board's memory standard is DDR2 800. Doesn't this mean that it should have the right voltage for my DDR2 800 Gskill sticks? Some people on newegg have posted specs with the same processor and RAM as me and said that they've had no problems. Could it be that my motherboard was possibly bad and that the RMA will fix it?

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Ok yea that's what I was told to do. I don't currently have access to DDR2 667 ram at the moment but I can just run down to the store and buy some cheap kingston valueram of some sort. If my RMA'd motherboard gives me the same error, than the RAM is definitely the problem as I will have replaced everything else. Hopefully it will be as problem-free as it sounds. But also a question you havent answered yet (ofcourse if you do not know the answer than just let me know): If I have a possible voltage problem would I have the symptoms that I do? (No startup display, just a blank screen). Or should I be getting some sort of error about my RAM voltage being wrong or something?


::edit::

Also, I would just like to know: On newegg, it says my board's memory standard is DDR2 800. Doesn't this mean that it should have the right voltage for my DDR2 800 Gskill sticks? Some people on newegg have posted specs with the same processor and RAM as me and said that they've had no problems. Could it be that my motherboard was possibly bad and that the RMA will fix it?

Thanks,
R3TR3C
Its hard to say what the problem can be at this point. What I usually do before I assemble the system is I set the motherboard on the box, I then install the CPU HS/fan, the video card, one stick of ram, and connect the PSU. You usually dont have 2 DOA memory sticks, so if doesnt boot with one, just swap in the other. Then I would reset the CMOS, moving the CMOS jumper from normal to clear, then back again. This will reset the motherboard to default settings. From there, if there is still a problem, I test out the power supply on another computer, then the video card. Once that has all been done, I would suspect the motherboard.

To answer your second question on the ram, I would think that since other people on newegg have not run into the same problem as you with the same components, I would rule the ram votage out as a problem. It is probably something else. But I have seen some of the ASUS boards stating they run DDR2 800 not boot up without the DDR2 667 trick.
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Ok thanks a lot for all of your info. I am currently on vacation and waiting for that mobo to make its way home so I can test out those parts again. I will attempt to make it boot up with 1 RAM stick at a time on the new mobo and if that doesnt work then I'll do the DDR2 667 trick. I'll PM you at some point if I run into any other problems.

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