Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Operating Systems › Windows › Windows Vista - In Depth. Sucks or Nots?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Windows Vista - In Depth. Sucks or Nots? - Page 4

post #31 of 115
Quote:
Source: http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-3672_7-...49-8-7007240-7

-- XP was dull, slow and quite bad at launch although the hardware was mostly up to par and it was supported well..
So are you saying that vista should be dull, slow and quite at its launch too? They're supposed to learn from their mistakes of XP and stop that from happening in vista.

Quote:
XP SP1 fixed over 300 bugs.. That's sad... 300! And then there was SP2..

Search is soon as you click Start + in every Explorer window...
Obviously sidebar RSS will get IE7 treatment but with so many custom gadgets it doesn't matter anymore.
Most of everything has been implemented and is up and running now
There are lots of apps that are written to work with Vista..

Comparing to XP after launch, this is VERY, VERY good.
So it has new features and improvements to the features already there, isn't that what new things are supposed to have in the first place?

Quote:
Listen people, if you are buying a new PC or upgrading most of your old get Vista. It has a huge known compatibility list and it works awesome.
What the heck?! He's saying it has a huge known compatibility list and says it still works awesome. He must be using some pretty unpopular software/hardware.


Quote:
If you are building a new system from a system builder or you are a system builder you can get an OEM copy of Vista Home Premium, Business or Ultimate for quite cheap. Ultimate is only 250$ per machine as OEM rules apply. Either way it's a great deal.
Its NOT a great deal, not only does it have too many problems at this time to recommend, 250$ for an operating system is a little too much for me.

Quote:
Vista is NOT better than XP and still loses in some benchmarks.
DX10 may infact be eventually ported to XP.
I agree with the first sentence, but microsoft will make sure to stop the porting of dx10 to xp. If you'd ever read anything about the OS aspect of MS, you'd know they're ruthless. Its a little different with the gaming and zune part though.

Quote:
BUT the FACT remains strong, Vista is the NEW OS from M$ and eventually just like XP has will sweep the market.
I completely agree.

Quote:
There are over 400 million copies of XP out so no, Vista won't be ahead anytime soon but eventually once people realize that Vista is a great, OS and that it isn't the devils evil attack on humanity by the means of M$ I am sure people will get into it.
I completely agree.

Quote:
Vista already has some great driver support, some great apps and uses RAM excellently.
Vista uses a little more RAM, but thats neccesary. So for the most part I agree.

Quote:
Arguments on OCN:

Vista eats your RAM*

Does your RAM disappear after or something? Does the system slow down when RAM is being used? No & No. -- Vista actually uses the RAM very well and manages it great unlike XP where it just sits there... Once you need the ram such as to play a game Vista understands and lets that amount of ram go. So long as you have 2GB of ram Vista will run nicely. Typing this I am using 40% of my RAM and when I game I am at 90%

Your games suck in Vista*

Srsly? WHERE!! My games run fine except for a split second of lag when I'm in that damn jet in BF2 all my games run fine. I get decent frames in everything except that badly coded and waste of a DVD spiderman 3.

Overclocking is so hard in Vista*

Read my sig guide. Turn UAC off and it's basically XP in terms of what you can do overclocking wise. I run 24/7 - 660 / 1000 8800GTS.

Start up is so slow*

You technically are not supposed to "turn off" your PC. What M$ wants you to do is hit the big power button on Start -> "Turn off" but it hibernates it. And does so well. To turn on my PC I tap spacebar, it posts and then Vista is right there.

Turning off is slow!*

Yes, it is. Tell it to turn off, shut off your monitor and speakers and whatever else you do and go away.. It will turn off by itself.. It will not start crying for you to hold it while it "shuts down."
...You know what we all mean by it eats RAM. It can use up a lot more than xp can. Also, you CANNOT tell me your games aren't a little slower in vista. I don't understand how ocing in vista is any harder than in xp so I agree with you? I also agree with you on the whole turning vista off thing.

Quote:
Oh and if M$ is sooooo evil: http://www.gatesfoundation.org/default.htm

Built off of M$ basically.
Built off of Bill Gates's money basically. This is what Bill did with his money, it has nothing at all to do with microsoft.

--------
You had final comments so I will too.

I have vista and have enough problems with it, so don't accuse me of anything. Also, look at your rig! It can run anything! Also, how does hating vista somehow mean we suck instead?

That is all.
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #32 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by aakar View Post
no I am just saying that vista shouldn't be purchased yet since all the problems it has got with games (Dx10), compatiblity issues, resource hogging and security issues.


I have a feeling that you have never installed Vista, and all your claims are baseless.

I am simply not using Vista now due to having bad experiences with it in the past (5 or so months ago). Vista is a resource hog because it 'pre-loads' applications you run often, so when you do launch them, they start fast. So, in reality, if you use the exact same apps every day you will notice nothing but performance when it comes to those common apps. Not only this, who here does not have 2 gigs of RAM? *shrug*

No, I'm not saying Vista is great, it has a long ways to go before it becomes awesome. Also, vista is taking the (next step) in some VERY needed improvements for an OS. The improved window manager is one of the needed parts of Windows that needed such improvement.

my2c
post #33 of 115
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kneeki View Post


I have a feeling that you have never installed Vista, and all your claims are baseless.

I am simply not using Vista now due to having bad experiences with it in the past (5 or so months ago). Vista is a resource hog because it 'pre-loads' applications you run often, so when you do launch them, they start fast. So, in reality, if you use the exact same apps every day you will notice nothing but performance when it comes to those common apps. Not only this, who here does not have 2 gigs of RAM? *shrug*

No, I'm not saying Vista is great, it has a long ways to go before it becomes awesome. Also, vista is taking the (next step) in some VERY needed improvements for an OS. The improved window manager is one of the needed parts of Windows that needed such improvement.

my2c
Basically, P.S. you should try Vista now with all patches. It works pretty well, driver support is high and yeah.

You are mostly -- no you are pretty much 100% right.
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #34 of 115
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by RickJS View Post
So are you saying that vista should be dull, slow and quite at its launch too? They're supposed to learn from their mistakes of XP and stop that from happening in vista.

Yeah, they basically have

So it has new features and improvements to the features already there, isn't that what new things are supposed to have in the first place?

Yup..

What the heck?! He's saying it has a huge known compatibility list and says it still works awesome. He must be using some pretty unpopular software/hardware.

There is a pretty big compatibility list? I am using all my XP apps except for Comodo firewall because it doesn't install


Its NOT a great deal, not only does it have too many problems at this time to recommend, 250$ for an operating system is a little too much for me.

Home Premium is cheaper and just about the same as Ultimate. Also I wouldn't say it has too many problems? I have had a very limited amount mostly due to my own fault anyway

I agree with the first sentence, but microsoft will make sure to stop the porting of dx10 to xp. If you'd ever read anything about the OS aspect of MS, you'd know they're ruthless. Its a little different with the gaming and zune part though.

I hope they do, then all these people that want to bash Vista, and then say XP rules don't get one of the only reallllllllllly awesome benefits of Vista. There are other benefits just not reallllllllly awesome ones.

I completely agree.

Cool

I completely agree.

Cool, sucks this quote doesn't quote what you quoted lol

Vista uses a little more RAM, but thats neccesary. So for the most part I agree.

It uses more RAM but I haven't been slowed down by it.

...You know what we all mean by it eats RAM. It can use up a lot more than xp can. Also, you CANNOT tell me your games aren't a little slower in vista. I don't understand how ocing in vista is any harder than in xp so I agree with you? I also agree with you on the whole turning vista off thing.

I don't get what it means.. How does it eat ram. So the ram usage bar is higher? I see no performance lost on anything other than bootup and games.

Built off of Bill Gates's money basically.

He got it from M$ though who got it from us so M$ roots are not evil, rich.. not evil.
--------
You had final comments so I will too.

I have vista and have enough problems with it, so don't accuse me of anything. Also, look at your rig! It can run anything!

Yeah my rig is awesome But besides the point 2GB of ram and any of the newer processors even a E4300 with a nice OC will run Vista well.

That is all.
Comments in Bold ni Quote
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #35 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGX1016 View Post
Basically, P.S. you should try Vista now with all patches. It works pretty well, driver support is high and yeah.

You are mostly -- no you are pretty much 100% right.
I may just give it another shot in the next week or so. See how it's progressed. Is it supporting Crossfire a bit more?

I guess the better question would be, is ATI supporting Crossfire on it more? =P
post #36 of 115
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by kneeki View Post
I may just give it another shot in the next week or so. See how it's progressed. Is it supporting Crossfire a bit more?

I guess the better question would be, is ATI supporting Crossfire on it more? =P
I would think so due to the 2900 series but I have nvidia and they are having some troubles but Sli is working at least. fan control is up but ATI is crap with drivers compared to nVidia so what do I know.
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
Workoholic
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel Core i7 2600K P8Z68-V PRO NVIDIA GeForce GTX 570 G.Skill 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
Intel 520 Series ASUS DVD+RW Windows 7 Ultimate 20.1" Samsung 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Logitech G15 Corsair 620 Modular Lian Li V1020B G9x 
Mouse Pad
Custom Cloth Pad 
  hide details  
Reply
post #37 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGX1016 View Post
Basically, P.S. you should try Vista now with all patches. It works pretty well, driver support is high and yeah.

You are mostly -- no you are pretty much 100% right.
This is said as if your opinion is the sole dictator of right and wrong. I advise you to be more reserved in your tone of speech. You seem irrationally angry. You don't work for Microsoft, do you? And by the way, just because I have 9 reps doesn't mean my opinion doesn't matter, or matters any less than yours. I just want to get that out of the way before I put in my 2 cents.

I have used Vista 32-bit home, enterprise as well as ultimate 64-bit (on different computers). On 1GB of RAM, Vista's performance is sub-par.
Quote:
Who doesnt have 2GB of RAM?
Seriously people, not everyone is an overclocker with a C2D/X2 and 2GB of ram and a 256MB video card. THERE ARE STILL TONS OF 'NEW' COMPUTERS WITH 512MB OF RAM COMING WITH VISTA INSTALLED!!! Therefore, it IS a valid, if not very applicable 'excuse' for Vista's shameless resource hogging.

I do not think I am a messiah of any sort. I certainly do not claim to be God. But I will tell you this: At home, I use WinXP, Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, and OS X. And I think Slackware is the best OS out there from a performance standpoint; and OS X is a better version of Vista. OS X is underrated; I don't like macs themselves but the OS makes them almost worth it. OS X has all the useless eye candy that Vista has PLUS more; and its far safer. The UI is similar, although OS X iis based on a BSD Unix kernel variant. Slackware, based on the old but stable 2.4 Linux kernel, is fast and does EVERYTHING that windows does with modification; ALL MY WINDOWS HARDWARE AND GAMES can be played under this platform. As for Macs, Boot Camp makes it universal, giving you a stable XP which you can secure with the right programs and OS X which is stable by nature.

That being said, I hope you read this and not look at my rep or whatever you base your rash judgments of people on.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6400 @ 3.6 GHz (450X8) GA P965 S3 7600GT 2GB OCZ Gold @ DDR 2 900 5-5-5-15 
Hard DriveOptical DriveMonitorPower
320GB Maxtor SATA2, 160 for XP, 160 for Slackware DVD+-RW EIDE 21" CRT by Sun Microsystems 680W Echostar 22A on 12V rail 
CaseMouse
Rosewill Black small Mid-T G5 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
E6400 @ 3.6 GHz (450X8) GA P965 S3 7600GT 2GB OCZ Gold @ DDR 2 900 5-5-5-15 
Hard DriveOptical DriveMonitorPower
320GB Maxtor SATA2, 160 for XP, 160 for Slackware DVD+-RW EIDE 21" CRT by Sun Microsystems 680W Echostar 22A on 12V rail 
CaseMouse
Rosewill Black small Mid-T G5 
  hide details  
Reply
post #38 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by MGX1016 View Post
Comments in Bold ni Quote
Seems like you really avoided answering my comments, and my comment where it was two of the same thing was on purpose.
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
Phrack
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Q6600 B3 @ 2.4 ASUS x38 Maximus Extreme Gigabyte 8800 GT G.Skill 2GB DDR3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
WD 250GB SATA/4GB Flash Windows Vista Ultimate 64bit Westinghouse 22" WS 5 MS Logitech G15 Rev2 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
CORSAIR 620HX ANTEC 900 Logitech MX518 FABRIC 
  hide details  
Reply
post #39 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sreenath View Post
This is said as if your opinion is the sole dictator of right and wrong. I advise you to be more reserved in your tone of speech. You seem irrationally angry. You don't work for Microsoft, do you? And by the way, just because I have 9 reps doesn't mean my opinion doesn't matter, or matters any less than yours. I just want to get that out of the way before I put in my 2 cents.

I have used Vista 32-bit home, enterprise as well as ultimate 64-bit (on different computers). On 1GB of RAM, Vista's performance is sub-par.
Seriously people, not everyone is an overclocker with a C2D/X2 and 2GB of ram and a 256MB video card. THERE ARE STILL TONS OF 'NEW' COMPUTERS WITH 512MB OF RAM COMING WITH VISTA INSTALLED!!! Therefore, it IS a valid, if not very applicable 'excuse' for Vista's shameless resource hogging.

I do not think I am a messiah of any sort. I certainly do not claim to be God. But I will tell you this: At home, I use WinXP, Slackware, Gentoo, Debian, and OS X. And I think Slackware is the best OS out there from a performance standpoint; and OS X is a better version of Vista. OS X is underrated; I don't like macs themselves but the OS makes them almost worth it. OS X has all the useless eye candy that Vista has PLUS more; and its far safer. The UI is similar, although OS X iis based on a BSD Unix kernel variant. Slackware, based on the old but stable 2.4 Linux kernel, is fast and does EVERYTHING that windows does with modification; ALL MY WINDOWS HARDWARE AND GAMES can be played under this platform. As for Macs, Boot Camp makes it universal, giving you a stable XP which you can secure with the right programs and OS X which is stable by nature.

That being said, I hope you read this and not look at my rep or whatever you base your rash judgments of people on.
Vista performance is not sub-par on 1 gig of ram, actually it runs quite great on 512MB.... I read an article on it somewhere

The reason vista uses so much ram is because of superfetch, which intelligently recognizes what you use everyday, and caches it into the ram so it loads really fast when you go to use it.

And i'm not sure how many people noticed that when you go into a game and your screen flashes once even though it isnt changing resolution, this is windows temporarily shutting off aero, so your games will run faster.

One other thing i noticed with my ram, when i opened my internet browser it only flicked up a few percent and went back down to where it was before.....



EDIT: and i would love to see how your playing 2142, source, etc etc etc under linux
post #40 of 115
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sreenath View Post
Seriously people, not everyone is an overclocker with a C2D/X2 and 2GB of ram and a 256MB video card. THERE ARE STILL TONS OF 'NEW' COMPUTERS WITH 512MB OF RAM COMING WITH VISTA INSTALLED!!! Therefore, it IS a valid, if not very applicable 'excuse' for Vista's shameless resource hogging.
Well, that is a point but any pc package deal that is at a decent price range of about $800 will have 2Gb ram, now if you get a $300 pc then well you get what ya pay for lol. But beyond that there are so many os's out there now its all come to personal preferences and of coarse they are all diferent.My point being you will always use what YOU want to use and be biased towards that, whatever that may be.
D
(15 items)
 
The Sheep Skinner
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700 Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming5 Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury Tri-X 3840 G.Skill TridentZ  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
960 EVO 500GB EK SE 240mm, Magicool slim 240mm EK Supreme HF CU Gold EKFC-Fury X WB 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 10 Pro Acer XG270HU EVGA 750W  Evolv ITX 
MouseMouse Pad
Naos7000 Corsair MM600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
C2D E8400 DFI LT P35 Radeon HD4890 OCZ 2GB 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500GB Asus multi DVD W7 U Samsung 2232BW+ 
PowerCase
Corsair HX520W CM 690 
  hide details  
Reply
D
(15 items)
 
The Sheep Skinner
(13 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Intel i7 6700 Gigabyte Z170N-Gaming5 Sapphire Radeon R9 Fury Tri-X 3840 G.Skill TridentZ  
Hard DriveCoolingCoolingCooling
960 EVO 500GB EK SE 240mm, Magicool slim 240mm EK Supreme HF CU Gold EKFC-Fury X WB 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 10 Pro Acer XG270HU EVGA 750W  Evolv ITX 
MouseMouse Pad
Naos7000 Corsair MM600 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
C2D E8400 DFI LT P35 Radeon HD4890 OCZ 2GB 800MHz 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
500GB Asus multi DVD W7 U Samsung 2232BW+ 
PowerCase
Corsair HX520W CM 690 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Windows
Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Operating Systems › Windows › Windows Vista - In Depth. Sucks or Nots?