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who cares in the end ill buy which ever company has the best cpu i dont go by make its the power
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Intel desperately needs to be knocked off their throne they are killing AMD by monopolization, and every other company in the cpu business for that matter. I think Intel will lose this suite and when they do the consequences will be horrific for them. We will see how this all pans out. If the government doesn't save us from this monopolization now we will see horrible effects on computer prices. The government will too feel this ripple as it hits the economy. I think the government sees what this will do to them and that is one of the many reasons i see Intel will lose in this battle.


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who cares in the end ill buy which ever company has the best cpu i dont go by make its the power
If AMD loses then horror in the PC world will be felt as CPU prices go so high well be forced to buy dual cores in the 16 core age just to be able to afford a PC.
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I remember someone saying that Core 2 Duo's architecture has been pushed about as far as it can go as far as clock speeds, so the only thing to do with this architecture is raise the FSB with negligible clock speed changes (1066 vs 1333 FSB, and with AMD's FSB at 2000, we know FSB speed isn't that big of a deal for performance), change the manufacturing tech (45nm chips), and add cores to it, or more chips to your mobo (V8, anyone?)

The fact is, they have already done the same thing they did with Netburst Architecture. They make it go as fast as they can get it within the first couple of years of the tech's existance, and then AMD releases a chip with lots of headroom, and takes back the lead.

At least I hope so...
    
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...... but when you roll out the fastest processors ever and then cut prices like madmen, you defeat your purpose for doing it in the first place. Intel could still keep a massive market lead even if they didn't cut prices so rapidly.
This is a verykey point.

You see, what Intel is doing is not (only) to out-perform its main competitor, by putting out a better product, but it is undermining AMD.

It is putting out very good products (finally ) and slashing the prices on them to RIDICULOUSLY low prices - so as to ELIMINATE the competition.
Mind you, technolofy continually gets cheaper, but even if AMD was performing on Par at the moment with Intel - these would irrationally LOW prices!
Why Intel is doing this ? because IT CAN.

IT IS A MONSTER - that has been accumulating over the years. It has HUUGE manufacturing capabilities (so much so, that AMD competiting on its level and above over the years is almost ironic!), as well as capital.
so what it is going now is producing products soooo cheap, that it will thwart its competition - sooo cheap, THAT RIGHT NOW, Intel (in ratio to their previous typical profit per chip) is barely making a profit.

BUT they dont care - they're only thinking of eliminating AMD, and slow profits rate is just a small price to bear out of the well deep wallets that they have.
Why not compete clean? Why not compete on SOLE basis of who has the better Product - and not try to thwart the competition with undermining tactics?

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Originally Posted by JacKz5o View Post
And didn't Intel's CEO speak out about AMD's "Illegal Tactics" when their P4s were being blown away by the A64s?
... i cant seem to remember that.
I wont refute it - but. please - refresh my memory huh....

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Intel should be able to sell its product without telling there vendors they can have price A, or price A-20% if they refuse to buy from AMD.
This is the sort of thing I mean....
honestly. Their tactics reminds me of that of Microsoft...

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If AMD had the manufacturing capacity to fulfill HP's orders I doubt there could be any retribution from intel. Honestly how would they stop fulfilling orders they no longer have ?
Honestly. I'm sad at how shallow your thinking is at the moment.

Friend. REalize that different chips are needed for different areas of computing.
No PC assembling company would want to stick to one chip manufacturer, because of the unlikelihood that any ONE OF THEM could produce the exact range of products they'd need, BECAUSE of the different focuses of the 2 companies...
Certain chips are needed for servers, Certain chips are needed for LAPTOPS, Certain chips for desktop, and in ALL the above cases, a VARYING balance has to be struck between Power (consumption), HEAT, and PERFORMANCE.

Hence the diversity in needs - diversity which no one company can entirely, adequalty fill and easily.

Am I making sense here?...
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post #35 of 77
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Originally Posted by Grim View Post
This is a verykey point.

You see, what Intel is doing is not (only) to out-perform its main competitor, by putting out a better product, but it is undermining AMD.

It is putting out very good products (finally ) and slashing the prices on them to RIDICULOUSLY low prices - so as to ELIMINATE the competition.
Mind you, technolofy continually gets cheaper, but even if AMD was performing on Par at the moment with Intel - these would irrationally LOW prices!
Why Intel is doing this ? because IT CAN.

IT IS A MONSTER - that has been accumulating over the years. It has HUUGE manufacturing capabilities (so much so, that AMD competiting on its level and above over the years is almost ironic!), as well as capital.
so what it is going now is producing products soooo cheap, that it will thwart its competition - sooo cheap, THAT RIGHT NOW, Intel (in ratio to their previous typical profit per chip) is barely making a profit.

BUT they dont care - they're only thinking of eliminating AMD, and slow profits rate is just a small price to bear out of the well deep wallets that they have.
Why not compete clean? Why not compete on SOLE basis of who has the better Product - and not try to thwart the competition with undermining tactics?


... i cant seem to remember that.
I wont refute it - but. please - refresh my memory huh....



This is the sort of thing I mean....
honestly. Their tactics reminds me of that of Microsoft...


Honestly. I'm sad at how shallow your thinking is at the moment.

Friend. REalize that different chips are needed for different areas of computing.
No PC assembling company would want to stick to one chip manufacturer, because of the unlikelihood that any ONE OF THEM could produce the exact range of products they'd need, BECAUSE of the different focuses of the 2 companies...
Certain chips are needed for servers, Certain chips are needed for LAPTOPS, Certain chips for desktop, and in ALL the above cases, a VARYING balance has to be struck between Power (consumption), HEAT, and PERFORMANCE.

Hence the diversity in needs - diversity which no one company can entirely, adequalty fill and easily.

Am I making sense here?...
Maximum PC just did a small article on this. Intel is on a "Tic-Toc" schedule.. where a toc is a die shrink, and a tick is a new architecture. We're currently coming off of a "tic" and the Penryn will be a "toc". It's basicly their way of out producing AMD...I mean, Intel's research teams are humongous compared to that of AMD's.

I'm telling you dudes, NOTHING will happen to AMD. I would be SEVERLY surprised if they went out of business. This isn't like a cell phone company...theres no real company to step in and take the competitive reigns if something happens to AMD.....Intel would control everyhing. Which would mean mass layoffs in the Intel ranks because they wouldn't have a mad scramblwe to out do anyone, whicxh in turn would make the prices go up....and we wouldn't get new chips every other day like we do now. It would be a "when they feel like it" schedule and I do not think ut would be allowed to happen. Be it private investors or the federal gonvernemtn, I do not htink it would happen.
 
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I do belive you're right krunk.
I've always said it - AMD is a resilient company...
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Wow, AMD isn't a Corporation only concerned with profits... Infact if the tables were turned AMD would "raise them up on eagles wings" and then "teach them to shine like the sun". DAAMIT cut the crap already, Hector Ruiz needs to be put to pasture like the broken snyde sniveling dolt he is. Their(AMD's) poor management decisions are the direct cause of their current market woes.
- this lil peice here shows just how much of your logic is emotional...
and not.. LOGICAL. (I'm sorry if you think I have something against you but..)

!

Here's my take on that (as I've said before) - the people behind AMD ARE HUMAN, so yes, if the tides turned that severely, then that is DEFINATLY not imposible. In fact, it is perhaps quite likely.

But the fact is that what we know of AMD now, is that they're a company that has ALWAYS (so far friend) sought to deliver MORE BANG FOR BUCK.

THEY have always made better products, and delivered them cheaper for the suffering consumer.
Whether or not that will change is debatable - but the fact is that they've not proven to be that kind of company - and if any, CERTAINLY not to the degree that intel has manifested itself to over the years.

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Right... Because when you buy from PC manufactures you can really hand pick all the parts down to the 80+% efficient PSU... . PC

And ... just what makes you think, that the ONLY choice that consumers have when buying pre-built PCs is the specific hardware components enclosed?

Dont you realize that the entire purpose as well as the capabilities/ effectivenes/ performance of a system, can be swung, by Nature/ type of CPU?

Its not only about the choices relating to whats inside - but those relating to the entire package that they'll be receiving.

however one may choose to argue it.
COMPETITION IS NEEDED.
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Originally Posted by Grim View Post
I do belive you're right krunk.
I've always said it - AMD is a resilient company...


- this lil peice here shows just how much of your logic is emotional...
and not.. LOGICAL. (I'm sorry if you think I have something against you but..)

!

Here's my take on that (as I've said before) - the people behind AMD ARE HUMAN, so yes, if the tides turned that severely, then that is DEFINATLY not imposible. In fact, it is perhaps quite likely.

But the fact is that what we know of AMD now, is that they're a company that has ALWAYS (so far friend) sought to deliver MORE BANG FOR BUCK.

THEY have always made better products, and delivered them cheaper for the suffering consumer.
Whether or not that will change is debatable - but the fact is that they've not proven to be that kind of company - and if any, CERTAINLY not to the degree that intel has manifested itself to over the years.




And ... just what makes you think, that the ONLY choice that consumers have when buying pre-built PCs is the specific hardware components enclosed?

Dont you realize that the entire purpose as well as the capabilities/ effectivenes/ performance of a system, can be swung, by Nature/ type of CPU?

Its not only about the choices relating to whats inside - but those relating to the entire package that they'll be receiving.

however one may choose to argue it.
COMPETITION IS NEEDED.
Hyperbole and satirical... two terms you should acquaint yourself with before writing a response.
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Everyone likes the underdog, and if AMD's past court appearances with intel are anything to go by, intel will be slammed with antitrust but it won't affect their dominance in the market that much.

AMD being carried by DELL is a HUGE step for them
    
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I remember someone saying that Core 2 Duo's architecture has been pushed about as far as it can go as far as clock speeds, so the only thing to do with this architecture is raise the FSB with negligible clock speed changes (1066 vs 1333 FSB, and with AMD's FSB at 2000, we know FSB speed isn't that big of a deal for performance), change the manufacturing tech (45nm chips), and add cores to it, or more chips to your mobo (V8, anyone?)

The fact is, they have already done the same thing they did with Netburst Architecture. They make it go as fast as they can get it within the first couple of years of the tech's existance, and then AMD releases a chip with lots of headroom, and takes back the lead.

At least I hope so...
That pattern has been repeated OVER AND OVER. This time it looks like it may break to either total Intel or total AMD domination now...
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Hyperbole and satirical... two terms you should acquaint yourself with before writing a response.
haha
What - learnt two new words that you needed to use in a sentence? lol

-suffice to say though - neither of us were using/being either

He may have been sarcasitic (not satirical) in his comments about PC user's choice on Prebuilt systems.
But what I responded to was the underlined fact in his argument....

The types of CPUs a assembler uses in his retail PC can affect the market even, he choses to point it at...
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