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At $266 for a C2Q I really can't complain...
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But the fact is that what we know of AMD now, is that they're a company that has ALWAYS (so far friend) sought to deliver MORE BANG FOR BUCK.
Thats not entirely true, actually not too long ago in a land not soo far away, an x2 3800 cost in excess of 300 smackers... For that reason and that reason alone my father's rig is powered by a pd805.


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And ... just what makes you think, that the ONLY choice that consumers have when buying pre-built PCs is the specific hardware components enclosed?

Dont you realize that the entire purpose as well as the capabilities/ effectivenes/ performance of a system, can be swung, by Nature/ type of CPU?

Its not only about the choices relating to whats inside - but those relating to the entire package that they'll be receiving.

however one may choose to argue it.
COMPETITION IS NEEDED.
You seem to be contradicting yourself here... Not really sure what your getting at. Are you arguing the whole is more than the sum of its parts? If so I hate the notion synergy.

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-suffice to say though - neither of us were using/being either
You seem to be stuck on this notion of choice... Both AMD and Intel are publicly traded companies both hell bent on margins, profits, market share, costs and possibly consumer sentiment( ). I'm just tired of this prevailing sentiment that AMD is in someway champion of all the little guys, here to defend us from the big bad Intel. They are both wolves and they are both exceedingly hungry for our green.
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I think this has a lot to do with Intel that always had the support of all the PC makers out there...If you think back...Dell, HP, etc all only used Intel for a long time until a while ago! The first time I heard about AMD is when my friend who had his own server told me he was using it and still at that time it was uncommon to find a AMD system except if you custom built it
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Thats not entirely true, actually not too long ago in a land not soo far away, an x2 3800 cost in excess of 300 smackers... For that reason and that reason alone my father's rig is powered by a pd805.
Point taken - people were noticing that.
It just gives creedence to what I and some others (perhaps yourself if I'm not mistaken ) have been saying - If the tides turn, AMD may very well get tempted to DOMINATE as well.



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You seem to be contradicting yourself here... Not really sure what your getting at. Are you arguing the whole is more than the sum of its parts? If so I hate the notion synergy.
What was said/suggested - is that users dont have much choice on what is inside the CPU - (which isnt true) - that is taking what was said in the most sarcastic sense.
More specifically, You could also be suggesting that users dont have a choice in what CPU they're getting in the package. either way...

MY POINT, was that even if this was the case - its not only the consumers ability to choose what cpu he/she is getting in the system.

But also the fact that whatever CPU is being put into it - with sway a variety of factors.
Price,Performace,Effectiveness, the market just to name a few.

(all this was stemming off from the part of Ruiz's comments - that was quoted...


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You seem to be stuck on this notion of choice... Both AMD and Intel are publicly traded companies both hell bent on margins, profits, market share, costs and possibly consumer sentiment( ). I'm just tired of this prevailing sentiment that AMD is in someway champion of all the little guys, here to defend us from the big bad Intel. They are both wolves and they are both exceedingly hungry for our green.
so completly unfounded..
i dont know where to start lol.

That being a possibility. what we're talking about is the fact that one of these "wolves hungry for green" has given to us less over the years, has not pushed computing foward as much as it could easily, and is a bigger monopolist than the other...

understand?

MY POINT IS - COMPETITION - we need it.
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Well, the truth is that only Partisan Intel "fanbois" would be ignorant/ refute this...
I agree with the rest of your post but this is simply not 100% true. I think that Intel would do the same thing if A64 still pwned Netburst like it did forever..I also think right now Intel is the better company, not just for performance but in philosophy. Now they are working their butt off to get new CPU's and architectures...what did AMD do? say intel is nubs when they pwned netburst and never took the initiative to make new chips...i mean they are wayyy behind and its hard to catch up with such a financial giant...its their own fault they got lazy...

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That being a possibility. what we're talking about is the fact that one of these "wolves hungry for green" has given to us less over the years, has not pushed computing foward as much as it could easily, and is a bigger monopolist than the other...
This is a blatant lie. You, i am sorry to say, are an AMD fanboy who tries to hide it with suttleties but you know what? its more blatant than the 'get a conroe' guys for intel......

BOTH companies would eat each other alive, sell their families into slave labor, sacrifice an employee to beat the other....you know that.

Your competition slogan is TRUE- WE DO NEED COMPETITION BUT THATS MY POINT!! that contradicts what you are saying that AMD is on our side fighting for us. A business that makes money from us fighting for us?! no!

your flattery and bias towards AMD dont match with your competition statement which you seem to blurt out when its irrelevant.

i apologize, but i felt i had to say this

and BTW, the reason Intel has ALWAYS been more monopolitive and 'less for us' is because they are bigger. If amd were in Intel's position, it would even be worse looking at their laziness about 939....
    
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AMD is champion of all the little guys because they have about 10% of the capital that Intel has, and they still compete! They jumped in with K6-2, and competed OK with the Pentium II. Then, they released K7 alongside P III, and took a tiny lead in the performance area, albeit very slight. Then, K8 came out alongside P4, and AMD just started owning. They started out as the little guys, they jumped straight into the game as competitors, and they've remained competitive all this time.

Just imagine if the Charlotte Bobcats had lost in the NBA Finals or the Conference finals their first year. No money (compared to Phoenix, say) and they still just jump straight into the league and compete. That is what AMD has been since day 1. They jumped into a place where Intel had a firm hold, and IBM had everything Intel didn't, and they practically made IBM disappear off of the face of the earth (heck, Macs even use Intels instead of IBMs now)

And no I'm not saying they put IBM out of business, because I know IBM still exists. I'm just saying they took their place in direct competition with Intel.
    
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I'm just tired of this prevailing sentiment that AMD is in someway champion of all the little guys, here to defend us from the big bad Intel. They are both wolves and they are both exceedingly hungry for our green.
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MY POINT IS - COMPETITION - we need it.
Agreed totally.

Capitalism FTW.
 
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AMD is champion of all the little guys because they have about 10% of the capital that Intel has, and they still compete! They jumped in with K6-2, and competed OK with the Pentium II. Then, they released K7 alongside P III, and took a tiny lead in the performance area, albeit very slight. Then, K8 came out alongside P4, and AMD just started owning. They started out as the little guys, they jumped straight into the game as competitors, and they've remained competitive all this time.

Just imagine if the Charlotte Bobcats had lost in the NBA Finals or the Conference finals their first year. No money (compared to Phoenix, say) and they still just jump straight into the league and compete. That is what AMD has been since day 1. They jumped into a place where Intel had a firm hold, and IBM had everything Intel didn't, and they practically made IBM disappear off of the face of the earth (heck, Macs even use Intels instead of IBMs now)

And no I'm not saying they put IBM out of business, because I know IBM still exists. I'm just saying they took their place in direct competition with Intel.
I agree.

I mean, just imagine if Intel shared some of the attitudes of AMD - rather than this "take whats under my arse or leave it" attitude.

Think of where computing would be today.

I dont think many people understand what intel could do..

if it just WANTED to...
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Both AMD and Intel are publicly traded companies both hell bent on margins, profits, market share, costs and possibly consumer sentiment( ). I'm just tired of this prevailing sentiment that AMD is in someway champion of all the little guys, here to defend us from the big bad Intel. They are both wolves and they are both exceedingly hungry for our green.
It's the hard truth really.
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