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Isn't it just the opposite? The low end chips are the ones that move in higher volume. The enthusiast chips aren't as in high demand as everyone thinks. When my mother, or my roomates go to buy a PC, they look for the best value, and those are almost always budget PCs.
but all the chips cost about the same to make...they all use about the same amount of silicone... they all have about the same amount of metal.... everything else is overhead to get to the chip (processes manufacturing, engineering the architecture, etc).

it's like saying that $10 games at walmart should be making more money than MS vista Ultimate because more of them are sold than vistas. The truth is that a CD/DVD costs the same no matter what software is intended to be put on it.

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we have no idea what goes on behind the closed doors at Dell, or larger corporations that do business with Intel and AMD. How can we say they're aren't unfair practices occurring? AMD wouldn't just make this accusation on hearsay, they obviously must have some form of evidence.
True, but until AMD brings any of those "Closed Doors" situations to the public's eyes, it'll just seem like he's complaining about his companies falling behind.

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I'm rather confused about your last statement though, you think intel is working for a monopoly?
fixed to make more sense.
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Compete!!!
At OCing sure at this time, but in the REAL WORLD, people see only the rated speed and there both on relatively level playing field in that respect!
GET REAL people, what we see and do is not the real world of retail!

To say "can't compete" is asking for flaming

Intels tactics will bite them in the butt sooner or later and so be it!
Frankly, I hope there alleged Conroe patch is a exposed for what the problem is!!!
You couldn't be more correct my friend. Most of the market isn't concerned about the maximum performance and overclockability, they are concerned about price, power consumption (especially on servers) and finally performance.
AMD has been competing. That's why you see AMD CPUs in pre-fab PCs, such as HP. They are a good value, and a dual core 3600+ is more power than most internet browsing, cd-burning everyday users will ever need.
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but all the chips cost about the same to make...they all use about the same amount of silicone... they all have about the same amount of metal.... everything else is overhead to get to the chip (processes manufacturing, engineering the architecture, etc).

it's like saying that $10 games at walmart should be making more money than MS vista Ultimate because more of them are sold than vistas. The truth is that a CD/DVD costs the same no matter what software is intended to be put on it.
I was only making the point because the original post suggested AMD doesn't sell as many low end parts as they do high end, that's the only point I meant to make, I didn't say anything about cost to amd. I said that they produce more low end parts than high end because they sell more, do you really think a majority of americans assemble their computers? The enthusiast market exists, but it isn't the bulk of the retail sales.

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True, but until AMD brings any of those "Closed Doors" situations to the public's eyes, it'll just seem like he's complaining about his companies falling behind.
Is the case public? I know the Inq. has been following it, and I know AMD has been issuing subpoena's, but they never reported on any findings, unless i chose to disregard such news.
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Intel currently has better processors but w/out competition prices will go out of control,
I will buy whichever processor is better (currently intel) but I hope AMD stays alive for the prices to stay competative and they also force the fastest possible advancements in technology.
    
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According to the lawsuit, Dell was receiving as much as $1 billion a year, or approximately $250 million a quarter, from Intel for guaranteed exclusivity.
Ouch.

If you win a fistfight, fine. But not it you win it using brass knuckles and a piece of chain.
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Hell, Mac users have been rambling this same kinda babble for decades (I should know, I am one! or was, rather...) and a lot of good it did. Took a glorified walkman to keep Apple floating. Maybe AMD should start making fancy toasters or something....

And now the world's all topsy-turvey. Intel's chips are shipping in Macs now, which if you wanted to could run windoze. It's crazy.

Point is, AMD'll be fine, Intel will still dominate. No way around that. They'll both be making good chips for a while, until they finally merge and we have to look to Motorola for product choice. PowerPC ftw?
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