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Alright here's the deal. I have a Socket 939 X2 3800+ right now, that's pretty well limited to 2.5GHz because of heat issues. I can't even get my voltage to stock voltage (1.35v) without it getting over 60*C. So...here's my idea:

Sell my Socket 939 X2 3800+ for around $80ish on my local craigslist.
Save up an extra $20+shipping and get myself a nice Opty 165.

Ideas/comments on this move? I really don't want to sell the whole rig because I just spent about $2000ish (a little less) back in March (sickening how prices drop). Now here's my final question on this move.

Would it be better to leave my rig in its current case, or switch out my case and my server case? Here's links to my current two cases.

Current Rig's case:
Apevia X-Discovery

Server's Case:
Apevia X-Pider

Now I'd like to point out here as well, my rig currently idles around 50*C. My server is dual Pentium 3's (1.0GHz) OC to 1.2GHz each...and it runs around 23*C idle (around 30 load). So would it be easier to achieve cooler temps with the server case? And is it worth it to purchase the opty 165 when I already have an X2 3800? Thanks for any input.
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I think that is a good move. That Manchester was never one of the better overclockers and the 165 should be able to easily break 2.5, not to mention run cooler AND give you the extra 1MB of L2.

I think it is worth the $20 - you wont see phenomenal gains, but even stock at 1.8 I would put money on the Denmark to beat that Manchester at its stock 2.0 - the L2 gain is noticable. Not to mention that the 165 OCs better.

As for case, that X-Discovery looks like it has pretty poor airflow, while the X-Pider has awesome airflow. The XD has one exhaist fan while the XP has 2 intake and 2 exhaust - no comparison. I would move to the X-Pider asap. The biggest difference maker in my case is simply my 80mm intake fan - you can circulate warm air all you want and it wont do you any good
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I think that is a good move. That Manchester was never one of the better overclockers and the 165 should be able to easily break 2.5, not to mention run cooler AND give you the extra 1MB of L2.

I think it is worth the $20 - you wont see phenomenal gains, but even stock at 1.8 I would put money on the Denmark to beat that Manchester at its stock 2.0 - the L2 gain is noticable. Not to mention that the 165 OCs better.

As for case, that X-Discovery looks like it has pretty poor airflow, while the X-Pider has awesome airflow. The XD has one exhaist fan while the XP has 2 intake and 2 exhaust - no comparison. I would move to the X-Pider asap. The biggest difference maker in my case is simply my 80mm intake fan - you can circulate warm air all you want and it wont do you any good
Actually, to clear a few things up on the two case...I forgot to tell what fans each have:

X-Discovery:
2x80mm (front intake)
1x80mm (side intake)
1x120mm (rear exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust in PSU...high RPM)

X-Pider:
2x80mm (front intake)
1x80mm (side intake but could be exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust in PSU...standard RPM)

Also, I would definately be swapping PSU's as well, so the high RPM fans in my current PSU would go with me to the X-Pider. And I don't know if I've said this yet or not, but my server's two processors are overclocked from 1.0 to 1.2GHz, and they run idle at room temperature on stock Intel HSF. And there's also 5 Hard drives in the server. So moving to the other case is definately a go then? Don't say its up to me though because I really don't feel like the work of undoing and redoing all those freakin zip-ties, lol.
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I think stupid is dead-on. The real key here is air volume. There's much more room for heat to dissipate before it's blown out of the case. I will never buy a cramped case again, and I suspect the case size is a real issue a lot of the tiem that folks are having heat issues. Make the move.
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Actually, to clear a few things up on the two case...I forgot to tell what fans each have:

X-Discovery:
2x80mm (front intake)
1x80mm (side intake)
1x120mm (rear exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust in PSU...high RPM)

X-Pider:
2x80mm (front intake)
1x80mm (side intake but could be exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust)
2x80mm (rear exhaust in PSU...standard RPM)

Also, I would definately be swapping PSU's as well, so the high RPM fans in my current PSU would go with me to the X-Pider. And I don't know if I've said this yet or not, but my server's two processors are overclocked from 1.0 to 1.2GHz, and they run idle at room temperature on stock Intel HSF. And there's also 5 Hard drives in the server. So moving to the other case is definately a go then? Don't say its up to me though because I really don't feel like the work of undoing and redoing all those freakin zip-ties, lol.
Ok, so the airflow wasn't as bad as I thought (went by the picture only ), but I would still switch due to it just being a larger case. Also, I would use that side intake as an exhaust (unless you duct it to your CPU) as I have found it more useful to have more exhaust fans than intake due to negative pressure.
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Ok, so the airflow wasn't as bad as I thought (went by the picture only ), but I would still switch due to it just being a larger case. Also, I would use that side intake as an exhaust (unless you duct it to your CPU) as I have found it more useful to have more exhaust fans than intake due to negative pressure.
I would think that way as well on reversing the side fan. The X-Discovery case I really don't care since my server will be going into it...and it has NO heat issues at all (runs room temp at idle, about 2-3*C more under load). In the X-Pider case though, since the side fan is right by the video card, wouldn't it be better to leave it as an intake? I can garauntee that case has no airflow problems, lol. I can feel the air blowing out of it from quite a ways away. The X-Discovery, I can barely feel the exhaust except the PSU, and that's with a 120mm fan as an exhaust. If I were to leave it in the X-Discovery case, I defintely would reverse the side fan. I forgot all about that when I built it. But in the X-Pider...wouldn't it be better to leave the side fan as an intake since its right by the GPU? Especially since I plan on going SLI if I can get decent speeds out of this machine.
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no doubt 165. most of the 165’s used to to hit 2.7 or above. not sure about the new ones but I bet they do at least 2.7
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Ok, so I was checking prices on newegg. The Opteron 165 goes for $99, the Opteron 170 goes for $114. Which one is going to give me a higher clock speed? My motherboard (ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe) will get to 333 front side bus easy. My question is....is that 10x multiplier on the 170 going to help me out or hurt me? I did the math, and the 165 OC to 333fsb would give me 2.997GHz. Can the Opterons hit 3.33GHz (the 170 OC to 333fsb) on air with a Zalman 9500? If they can't I'd probably be better off going with the 165 then, right?

Just trying to squeeze a little more life out of my build from MARCH of this year! Definately should have built AM2 instead, but you live and learn, lol.
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Ok, so I was checking prices on newegg. The Opteron 165 goes for $99, the Opteron 170 goes for $114. Which one is going to give me a higher clock speed? My motherboard (ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe) will get to 333 front side bus easy. My question is....is that 10x multiplier on the 170 going to help me out or hurt me? I did the math, and the 165 OC to 333fsb would give me 2.997GHz. Can the Opterons hit 3.33GHz (the 170 OC to 333fsb) on air with a Zalman 9500? If they can't I'd probably be better off going with the 165 then, right?

Just trying to squeeze a little more life out of my build from MARCH of this year! Definately should have built AM2 instead, but you live and learn, lol.
Overclocks aren't guaranteed - I can tell you already that the 170 won't hit 3.33 though and you'll have trouble getting either one to 3.0. The 170 has a higher chance though to get those kinds of speeds (3GHz).

Both will probably be LCB9E stepping, which are great but run pretty hot (until you take off the IHS )
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