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I know really...

Honestly I'm not trying to bash AMD, but they compared their brand new "native" quad core chip to an older dual chip in a multimedia app, which are normally mutithreaded. They offer 0 proof about theri findings. And still, they only state per clock....Thats like saying my Honda civic weighing 2800 pounds is faster per HP than your Z06 at 3000 pounds. Sure you give them both 120hp, the civic will be faster, but Penryn has been at 3.33 already, Barcelona, at what a measly 1.66?


And that whole "native" quad thing really bugs me. Has anybody been able to prove that it means, anything? I think its kinda like people who put a "v-tech" sticker ont heir car thinking it will give them +10hp
Did AMD release this information!? It was FUD who did, why are you pointing fingers at AMD? They're attemtpting to compete with a huge company, all the while transitioning to an entirely new architecture. In anandtech's article, they state that there are platform issues, and the BIOS of the system boards were having horrible issues with Barcelona. Maybe those are fixed, and maybe they ran single threaded mutlimedia benchmarks, who knows. Why do people jump all over rumor based tech-news sites as if it were fact?
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Did AMD release this information!? It was FUD who did, why are you pointing fingers at AMD? They're attemtpting to compete with a huge company, all the while transitioning to an entirely new architecture. In anandtech's article, they state that there are platform issues, and the BIOS of the system boards were having horrible issues with Barcelona. Maybe those are fixed, and maybe they ran single threaded mutlimedia benchmarks, who knows. Why do people jump all over rumor based tech-news sites as if it were fact?
Why would you compare a dual core chip to a single core chip period? That is just stupid. Why post a news article that doesn't actually tell us anything.
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Why would you compare a dual core chip to a single core chip period? That is just stupid. Why post a news article that doesn't actually tell us anything.
Because it makes the fanboys happy............

Really, there isnt even a hint of proof in their statement.


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Why would you compare a dual core chip to a single core chip period? That is just stupid. Why post a news article that doesn't actually tell us anything.
If they were just comparing it to the arch, whats the problem? As long as they ran a single threaded test, it shouldn't matter if they had a C2D or C2Q. In any event, you're right, it's another rumor starting article that only infects us with speculation and more questions than answers.
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If they were just comparing it to the arch, whats the problem? As long as they ran a single threaded test, it shouldn't matter if they had a C2D or C2Q. In any event, you're right, it's another rumor starting article that only infects us with speculation and more questions than answers.
It is like testing a 2 wheel drive vehicle against a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Even if it is on the street, the performance will be substantially different.
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If they were just comparing it to the arch, whats the problem? As long as they ran a single threaded test, it shouldn't matter if they had a C2D or C2Q. In any event, you're right, it's another rumor starting article that only infects us with speculation and more questions than answers.
They never said it was faster. Just faster per clock. I think in the best case scenario, it will become Pentium D vs X2's all over again....However, this is comparing Barcelona to old tech. Why dont they compare it to Penyrn and do a real test.
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It is like testing a 2 wheel drive vehicle against a 4 wheel drive vehicle. Even if it is on the street, the performance will be substantially different.
so, even if the app just targets one core for both arch's, it's still not a fair comparison?
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They never said it was faster. Just faster per clock. I think in the best case scenario, it will become Pentium D vs X2's all over again....However, this is comparing Barcelona to old tech. Why dont they compare it to Penyrn and do a real test.
I was thinking the same thing too, but where can they get a Penryn to test? Or, why didn't they retest the Cinebench and POVray tests already done? Most likely because this is a bogus "article" if you can even call it that.
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so, even if the app just targets one core for both arch's, it's still not a fair comparison?
Listen... How hard is it to get a Core 2 Quad? They can be had for under $500. Why would you expect any sort of credibility by not comparing similar systems.

Not to mention, you do not know what benchmarks they ran exactly and if they were multi-threaded. But, every multimedia benchmark I have seen is multithreaded...

This "article" is worthless. It doesn't give us any system details, any benchmark details, no screen shots or other proof, no methods of benchmark, and no processor information. The only information they gave us, that it was Quad Core Barcelona versus dual core Core 2 Duo 100% ruins any chance of this article being legitimate.
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Besides if the rumors are true whos going to build it????????
pakastan,India or China?????
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