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Originally Posted by ryboto View Post
you keep posting them as if they were the final verdict. Sure, they're the only benchmarks we have to go on, but two benchmarks that were done on pre-production platforms aren't what I'd call solid info.

And as far as the Xeon goes, I was talking about the price. Are the Xeons on the same level as the desktop conroe parts in terms of price? They're more expensive. Just as Barcelona will be more expensive than the desktop counterparts
You ask for proof I give you proof. You deny my proof but don't over any of your own proof.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Considering the fastest that chip is going to launch at is 2.2Ghz, it is going to have quite a lot of work to do in order to compete with the Xeon 5XXX line that is clocked at 3.33Ghz 1333Mhz FSB.
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You ask for proof I give you proof. You deny my proof but don't over any of your own proof.

Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Considering the fastest that chip is going to launch at is 2.2Ghz, it is going to have quite a lot of work to do in order to compete with the Xeon 5XXX line that is clocked at 3.33Ghz 1333Mhz FSB.
huh??? I didn't ask for proof, at least not in this thread. All I can say is that the final verdict is not out on the performance of the k10 arch. While we have *preliminary* benchmarks, the news surrounding those benchmarks suggested the AMD scores were lower because of platform issues. I'm not defending AMD here, they should have had these issues ironed out long ago, but still, just because you have "proof" of a benchmark, doesn't mean it's the final word, and in the end, that's all I care about. We can argue the price day and night, because as far as the news is concerned, that's written in stone now.
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AMD had to not only delay the launch, but it had to lower the speed of the launch (It was suppose to launch at 2.5Ghz). I think that gives you an idea of how poorly these are going to scale.

Regardless, from the only known benchmarks of these chips, they are slower clock for clock than the Core 2 Quad. How can you figure a $390 chip (2.0Ghz) is going to compete with a $266 Q6600 (2.4Ghz) which is known to scale well above 3.2Ghz.

Really, anyone who buys these chips at these prices has lost their mind.
At this point I think I'd rather see a MCM of two Kuma cores than a native quad-core..... They can get those out the door faster and should be able to scale much higher than just 2.5GHz.
    
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Paul, I know that you are about in the same boat as Nasgul about AMD vs Intel... but I'll try.

How trustworthy are pictures you find online where someone snaps a picture with a digital camera of part of their monitor?

Second, as others have pointed out, these are still 3 months prior to launch, and Intel has had that tech for over a year. Intel has had time to work out bugs in the platforms and get it performing close to its peak. AMD's chips won't even be out for 3 more months. Very accurate benchmarks.

I am not saying Barcelona will be the Messiah of computing. I'm not saying that Intel is going to go down the tubes once AMD releases a new product. However, the 2900XT is proof that prerelease benchmarks that underwhelm the public can be easily fixed with driver updates, and the same could happen for CPUs and BIOS Flashes. The 2900 came out not even competing with the 320 GTS, and now it's a viable option as a high end card, coming close to GTX performance.

AMD may not end up with a better product, or they may. NO ONE, not even the almighty Pauldovi, knows yet. I am merely saying that in very recent times we have seen AMD have a launch that fails to deliver what we were all hoping for, and then they turned it around and gave us one heck of a product.
    
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Haha, 2 days after my birthday!
Lol who knows maybe AMD will *gasp* move up the release date...
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That is expensive. Looks like my next comp will be a non-native quad from Intel.
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post #37 of 50
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That is expensive. Looks like my next comp will be a non-native quad from Intel.
did you not read through the thread? Do you even know what a Barcelona chip is? it's a SERVER chip...these aren't targeted at desktops. Just like with Opteron now, Barcelona will be more expensive than the Kuma or Agena variantes of the K10.
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I was under the impression that these chips had the same socket as the desktop chips, but were just targeted to server applications.
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It seems like the Barcelona rush calmed down quite a bit when the performance was revealed.
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I was under the impression that these chips had the same socket as the desktop chips, but were just targeted to server applications.
no, Barcelona is socket 1207, like Quad FX chips, the FX-74, etc. Budapest is the AM2+ version.
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