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Hi, a friend has asked me to build him a PC for gaming and such for around £1300 (ex VAT), high performance im guessing, he currently has a monitor capable of 1680x1050. There are a few things it must have, he said:

1. He wants RAID0 but also wanted the backing up abilites of RAID1 so he will need 4 drives there for RAID 0+1.
2. He wanted the Antec P190 case
3. Wanted Vista Ultimate

Here is what i think so far (ex VAT):

Core 2 Duo E6600 - £128

Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme + Scythe S-FLEX 1600RPM - £57

ASUS P5K Deluxe - £135

GeIL 2GB DDR2-1066MHz CL5 Black Dragon LED - £85

BFG GeForce 8800 GTX OC 600/1800Mhz - £325

4x 500GB Western Digital Caviar SE16 AAKS - £224

Vista Ultimate OEM 32bit - £105

Antec P190 Case with 650W + 550W PSU's - £218

Total: £1277 + Shipping.


I think its pretty much all there, i choose the Caviars AAKS over the Seagate 7200.10 because at the moment they are cheaper and faster (especially in the 500GB area). See here: http://techreport.com/reviews/2007q2.../index.x?pg=12



Thanks for the help
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post #2 of 14
Nice setup.

you can go RAID 5 with a minimum of 3 HDD, Anyway RAID 1 or 5 provide fault tolerance not backup.

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Well from what I seen, RAID5 seems horribly slow for write speeds, I think RAID0+1 is the easiest, fastest and not much more expensive. Thanks for your help tho
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post #4 of 14
Raid 5 is not recommended with an onboard controller. Write performance is horrid in most cases.

It will work well with a true hardware controller though, but that adds to the cost (more than the extra cost of the fourth drive).

When is he planning on buying? (pricedrops of course)
    
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Oh, not in a real hurry, so we got time to look around

Edit: I think the E6850 2.66GHz core 2 is gonna be released and is about $190, the Core 2 Quad Q6600 will come down to $266, so I am not sure what to get. I thought the E6600 shoud be okay for about 3.0Ghz - 3.2Ghz easy.
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Originally Posted by OCZedd View Post
Well from what I seen, RAID5 seems horribly slow for write speeds, I think RAID0+1 is the easiest, fastest and not much more expensive. Thanks for your help tho
Hardware RAID is much faster than the software one (& much expensive), Anyhoo Your built is perfect .

You're a tech-savvy at heart
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post #7 of 14
Also, I wish the P190 came without PSU. I don't like it you're forced to pick Antec PSUs (hardly the best on the market). Plus, the 650W PSU will still carry the brunt, since it powers the CPU and add in cards (the other one only powers the drives and other peripherals).

I'd seriously look for another case, and get a better PSU. A single Silverstone DA750 would do just fine, and is modular (or the OP750 if he doesn't desire modular).

Here is the P182:
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showpr...d=7&subcat=160
So he keeps that black mysterious look

And the OP750:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=565198

And the DA750:
http://www.scan.co.uk/Products/Produ...oductID=565199

If he wants more power, there is always the DA850, or even the OP1000.

Even with the DA750, he still saves money...
    
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post #8 of 14
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Yeah, the PSU thing is kinda anoying, but he was going to choose the Antec 900 originally (until i showed him a review of the P190 and he loved it) and one of these:

OCZ GameXStream 700W [£75] or Seasonic M12 Modular 600W[ £90] or PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610W [£85]. Is there a big difference between Modular and not, im not sure want he wanted tbh.
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I will ask him if he wants to change case and PSU and see what he says. At the end of the day if he doesnt want to he could just upgrade the PSU when he needs too, because im thinking 650W is prolly enough for a bit, quad core (future) and a 8800GTX shud be fine.

Anyway what about the rest of the build: Motherboard? RAM? Hard Disks? GPU? I choose them, are they all ok?

thanks.

Edit: Damn Chozart, I was just about to REP you, and I was like "Wheres the button!" lol and remembered.
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post #10 of 14
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Originally Posted by OCZedd View Post
Yeah, the PSU thing is kinda anoying, but he was going to choose the Antec 900 originally (until i showed him a review of the P190 and he loved it) and one of these:

OCZ GameXStream 700W [£75] or Seasonic M12 Modular 600W[ £90] or PC Power & Cooling Silencer 610W [£85]. Is there a big difference between Modular and not, im not sure want he wanted tbh.
I seriously would pick the Silverstone OP750 or DA750 over ANY of those PSUs. Definately don't get the GameXStream, and the PC P&C and the Seasonic are worthy challengers, but right now, Silverstone has some really good offerings.
    
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