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Does this affect the whole world, or just the US?
    
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Does this affect the whole world, or just the US?

Just the U.S for now. Many countries already have some form of net neutrality implemented, while many others have the opposite. Either way, it works out for them.
The issue in the States is that regionally there are very few ISPs so the U.S has a form of "regional internet monopoly" which makes it hard for people to pick and choose, making market competition almost obsolete. The "anti net-neutrality" crowd will tell you that if a provider is too restrictive the costumer will simply change... well, the problem with that is that if COX is the only thing in your area who will the costumer change to?
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Net Neutrality is like Affirmative Action for the Internet. You can quote me on that .
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Does this affect the whole world, or just the US?
This will effect the whole world. Elimination of neutrality will allow ISP's (backbone providers) to "pinch" the bandwidth, at will, for any web sites. For instance, if google and Yhoo are on a given ISP's (well multiple) backbone and that ISP decides to limit the bandwidth to Yahoo to favor Google, then page hits and search engine crawling will slow down for Yahoo giving Google an unfair competitive edge.

In other words, the entire world will pay the price because Google paid that particular ISP more money to have higher bandwidth.

It's ALL about control. We, as a people, need the wealthy and power hungry of this world to control us LESS. We need the ability to decide and choose what we buy from who because that PROVIDER of the goods is doing a BETTER job of providing.

Imagine if we had two federal governments to choose from. And they had to compete to sell us their "goods". Imagine how much better the US would be. Life is the exact opposite for us. We have no choice. The milk carton has several different vendors printed on the packaging, but it's all the exact same milk. Choice is an illusion.
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The problem here is that in order for land lines, fiber optics, etc. to be implemented, a considerable investment will be required from these "backbone providers", which is especially true in the U.S (A LOT of land to cover).
The reason ISPs and the like hate net neutrality is because it won't allow them to get a return on this initial investment (a substantial investment which could bankrupt them). If net neutrality is shut down, then said ISPs and other "backbone prividers" would have greater incentives to use more advanced (and costly) technologies (like fiber optics).
This is also the reason why the big software and internet companies like the googles and yahoos favor internet neutrality; if the measure is implemented they don't have to pony up the cash to use the new high speed access routes since ISPs won't be allowed to charge premiums on these services. Good for them but ultimately bad for the little man since it will be the costumer forking out most of the cash (prices WILL go up no matter what).

Edit: Other issues to consider http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070201-8750.html

Edit2: This one is more relevant to gamers and is the basic source of inspiration for this population's support of net neutrality http://www.ramprate.com/marketcommen...eutrality.html
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Wow, I'm really gald I came across this. I didnt have a clue what net nutrality was, or that it was in jepordy. Now Im concerned.
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I know that the so called net neutrality is fundamentally against my particular political inclination. Either way, it's political, so discussing it here is pointless. Everyone should keep in mind that currently there IS NO net neutrality in place and we all are doing just fine; implementing the measure will bring many side effects that I think not everyone is aware off.
it is a damned if you do damned if you dont sort of thing- the reason we are doing just fine now with no net neutrality in place is that cable companies have not yet tried to take advantage of the situation by taking control of aspects of access and content like has been planned and talked about within these companies.
but too much regulation is definitely a bad thing, so what needs to happen is maybe a new sort of bill introduced that instead of imposing regulations on the internet, would instead punish telecom companies if they tried to in any way regulate the flow of data on the internet.
basically we have to insure that the internet does not go the same way as radio and T.V..
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Just the U.S for now. Many countries already have some form of net neutrality implemented, while many others have the opposite. Either way, it works out for them.
The issue in the States is that regionally there are very few ISPs so the U.S has a form of "regional internet monopoly" which makes it hard for people to pick and choose, making market competition almost obsolete. The "anti net-neutrality" crowd will tell you that if a provider is too restrictive the costumer will simply change... well, the problem with that is that if COX is the only thing in your area who will the costumer change to?
so it seems that the real issue here is monopoly.
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The problem here is that in order for land lines, fiber optics, etc. to be implemented, a considerable investment will be required from these "backbone providers", which is especially true in the U.S (A LOT of land to cover).
The reason ISPs and the like hate net neutrality is because it won't allow them to get a return on this initial investment (a substantial investment which could bankrupt them). If net neutrality is shut down, then said ISPs and other "backbone prividers" would have greater incentives to use more advanced (and costly) technologies (like fiber optics).
This is also the reason why the big software and internet companies like the googles and yahoos favor internet neutrality; if the measure is implemented they don't have to pony up the cash to use the new high speed access routes since ISPs won't be allowed to charge premiums on these services. Good for them but ultimately bad for the little man since it will be the costumer forking out most of the cash (prices WILL go up no matter what).

Edit: Other issues to consider http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070201-8750.html

Edit2: This one is more relevant to gamers and is the basic source of inspiration for this population's support of net neutrality http://www.ramprate.com/marketcommen...eutrality.html

Good point. Maybe there is a middle ground here. If Google, for example, want's maximum speed, they pay cash to the ISP. The end user doesn't. My problem is how this is going to hamper access to those less fortunate. If google pays, then I don't care.
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Good point. Maybe there is a middle ground here. If Google, for example, want's maximum speed, they pay cash to the ISP. The end user doesn't. My problem is how this is going to hamper access to those less fortunate. If google pays, then I don't care.
I don't think the end user will end up forking tons of extra cash. As I said, prices will rise, just like they always do, but things will still be affordable, since these guys are in the business of, well, making money, and ultimately it's the consumer that has the money. It's the big guys (google, yahoo, MS, etc.) that would end up paying the most, and guess what, they don't want to pay.
Some regulation is always good, so as to avoid the doomsday scenarios net neutrality proponents predict, but chances are that will never happen. Still, it's good to have a safety net of some sort.
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