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post #61 of 71
what is this Net Neutrality BS anyways? The site does not put it clearly.

All I want from the net is FAST service and FREE information. Nothing else is important at all.
post #62 of 71
basically, it says that isp's can not show favoritism to one site over another. Like they cant make google load faster than yahoo, or msn. Which may not sound bad until they start charging OCN a few hundred a month just to keep OCN on the internet. Then it will be like TV with channels. where some ISP's have some sites, where others don't, it can not happen!
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what is this Net Neutrality BS anyways? The site does not put it clearly.

All I want from the net is FAST service and FREE information. Nothing else is important at all.

What ISPs are trying to do is create a multi tier internet that will accommodate the most common forms of bandwidth usage. The gamers on one side, the "casual" web surfers on another side, torrent and similar sites/users on another, heavy media streamers on another, etc. Basically they are reserving special places that will meet certain needs.
They are trying to do this because of the growing need for more and more bandwidth. Soon everyone and their grandma will be streaming hi-def content, the advent of populous MMOs, torrents, and all that good stuff that is taxing more and more the current infrastructure of the internet.
Remember that ISPs and other companies that exist solely to provide a working infrastructure for the internet are in the business of making money. They are expecting some form of return on their investments (which are very substantial). Laying cables costs money, and if we want to catch up on high speed connections (fiber optic goodness) it will cost even more. Tell me, would you commit to make an initial investment of billions of dollars that could possibly run you out of business, if you did not have a sure way of getting something in return?
Why would Google or Yahoo not have to pay more for their special bandwidth needs? Are they not "using more internet" than you? Why should the average consumer have to suffer lesser quality connections just because Google is piggy backing on your line?
That's the "anti net neutrality" side in a nutshell. They are adapting to the times, and they think this is the best, most cost effective way to do it.

On the other side we have the "net neutrality" folk. They basically want the internet to stay the same way it is. However, in order for that to be enforced they want the government to step in and regulate things. The government will be the ever watchful enforcer of "neutrality", possibly giving it additional powers and allowing it to grow even more, and interfere in areas we may not want the government to be in.
Of course, if you believe that necessity brings about change, then the need for ever higher speeds and increased bandwidth will force ISPs and the like to update their infrastructures and innovate. Unfortunately, as I said before, this requires capital investment. So prices will go up for everyone. Good you say, since everyone is supporting the cause. Not really, if you take into consideration that you will be paying more for almost nothing in terms of increased bandwidth and latency efficiency, since the big guys (the googles and yahoos) will still be "using the same internet as you" and basically leeching off of you.

There are far more issues at stake, on either side, but this is the core of it all. Big money is riding on this thing, big money for both sides.
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What ISPs are trying to do is create a multi tier internet that will accommodate the most common forms of bandwidth usage. The gamers on one side, the "casual" web surfers on another side, torrent and similar sites/users on another, heavy media streamers on another, etc. Basically they are reserving special places that will meet certain needs.
They are trying to do this because of the growing need for more and more bandwidth. Soon everyone and their grandma will be streaming hi-def content, the advent of populous MMOs, torrents, and all that good stuff that is taxing more and more the current infrastructure of the internet.
Remember that ISPs and other companies that exist solely to provide a working infrastructure for the internet are in the business of making money. They are expecting some form of return on their investments (which are very substantial). Laying cables costs money, and if we want to catch up on high speed connections (fiber optic goodness) it will cost even more. Tell me, would you commit to make an initial investment of billions of dollars that could possibly run you out of business, if you did not have a sure way of getting something in return?
Why would Google or Yahoo not have to pay more for their special bandwidth needs? Are they not "using more internet" than you? Why should the average consumer have to suffer lesser quality connections just because Google is piggy backing on your line?
That's the "anti net neutrality" side in a nutshell. They are adapting to the times, and they think this is the best, most cost effective way to do it.

On the other side we have the "net neutrality" folk. They basically want the internet to stay the same way it is. However, in order for that to be enforced they want the government to step in and regulate things. The government will be the ever watchful enforcer of "neutrality", possibly giving it additional powers and allowing it to grow even more, and interfere in areas we may not want the government to be in.
Of course, if you believe that necessity brings about change, then the need for ever higher speeds and increased bandwidth will force ISPs and the like to update their infrastructures and innovate. Unfortunately, as I said before, this requires capital investment. So prices will go up for everyone. Good you say, since everyone is supporting the cause. Not really, if you take into consideration that you will be paying more for almost nothing in terms of increased bandwidth and latency efficiency, since the big guys (the googles and yahoos) will still be "using the same internet as you" and basically leeching off of you.

There are far more issues at stake, on either side, but this is the core of it all. Big money is riding on this thing, big money for both sides.
When everyones grandma surfs the web... this will probably be in.

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hmm... Thread kinda died off
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hmm... Thread kinda died off
Because no one knows who to support. There's so much political spin on this issue that the "good guys" could be anyone.
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Okay, anyone know another thing to be pissed at? They're considering putting a fee on virtual worlds.(second life, and others).
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Okay, anyone know another thing to be pissed at? They're considering putting a fee on virtual worlds.(second life, and others).
who cares? get a real life. (not saying you dont have one, but that others who play those games 24/7 should do instead of crying about it)
i guess although the concept is wrong, this could stop people living fake lives and getting out into the real world

and nice work Melcar; just because its popular doesn't make it right.
    
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who cares? get a real life. (not saying you dont have one, but that others who play those games 24/7 should do instead of crying about it)
i guess although the concept is wrong, this could stop people living fake lives and getting out into the real world

and nice work Melcar; just because its popular doesn't make it right.
I'm revoking your nerd license. Get out.

They shouldnt have to pay anymore. THE WORLD IS VIRTUAL. Its bad enough they charge monthly.
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Eh..? What...? o.O

Save the internet..? Is the interwebz dying in the states...? ;_;;
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