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Originally Posted by thiru View Post
Hum. Let's hope this doesn't happen to AMD
AMD Cool n' Quiet was proved to be exploitable. Hackers could write clone drivers for it, which could potentially gain access to different BIOS options.

That's one bug, though...not 20-30 outstanding!

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Originally Posted by bdattilo View Post
So next time, think things through before you say "It's no big deal." It may not be a big deal to you, but people in my engineering firm see it as a big deal.
I wonder what this means for Folding? I'm guessing FAH has enough integrity checks to prevent a problem.

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Originally Posted by Namrac View Post
IF there are serious security issues, then that's not good, and Intel should definitely do something about it. Who cares if a CPU is fast if it leaves you open to a whole new level of viruses?
I agree with that.

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Originally Posted by Intervention View Post
It just seems that as soon as this was "known" a lot of AMD guy jumps in and say, "wow look at that" or "intel sux hard". If we want to be professional, lets start by dissecting this problem, and actually seeing if there is a problem at all.


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Edit****
Maybe I'm not being professional is me not understanding the problem, but honestly, I haven't reported any instabilities with my C2D. Unless provoked by 4.0Ghz syndrome.....
And maybe that's the answer. Core 2 processors had a significant clockspeed drop from P4's and Pentium D's. Why?

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This thread reminds me of the Global Warming myth.
(OT) Which myth is that? As far as we know, the globe won't actually get much warmer - but climates will shift a lot. In the tropics things will get bad; the increased hurricane activity will kill off coral reefs and a lot of sea life, forcing it northward. There's dozens of other effects too, and they spell economic disaster for many southern countries - countries around the equator.

However, global warming will turn Canada into the place to be. Our tundra will melt a bunch, and we'll have a new shipping lane up north. Large parts of the country will get more rain and longer growing seasons, so we'll have more farmland.

But a few states in the US will be screwed, if Katrina-sized hurricanes hit it 5 times per year. Other parts of the world are also in trouble - Afirca, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines, etc. Temperatures have peaked at nearly 70C in parts of Afghanistan, ~60-65C in Iraq; temperatures have gone up to 45C (humid!) in the Philippines. A few celsius added on top of those temperatures is absolutely brutal, and if we care about people in other parts of the world, we should be doing something about it.

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If I had it my way EVERYONE would use A VIA CPU and have to live with 32KB L2 with Full speed of 1000Mhz


Mmm...1-3 watt(load) Via CPU, with the performance of a 1.4ghz P4. Yummy!

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Originally Posted by Ihatethedukes View Post
I have widely sporadic, random WU ending errors on mild CORE2DUO OCs (2.4GHz E4300 and sub ddr800 cas5 ram) while folding that do not fail ANY stability stress tests for 8 hours. I attributed it to degrading ram because I couldn't fix it with voltage increases or declocks (whenever I thought it was fixed it came back anywhere from 1day to a week later).

This MIGHT explain that.
Possible. Could also be ESD, dust particles, bad mobo, etc....could be a bunch of factors adding together, too. Unfortunately, these errors are so minute that we don't know if they're causing problems, or something else.

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Originally Posted by TheSubtleKnife View Post
Hey, I have an AMD, and I just wanted to point out that AMD has theese "Errata"s too. My Lanparty has an option for "Errata 94 Enhancement" A quick google search turned up


That means that K8 has at least 94 bugs, so how about we stop saying "OMG Lyke C2D makes my compy BSOD omg"

Both CPU's have their own bugs, so now the fanboys can ****
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Awesome post. Rep +
I agree.
     
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It's AM2+ buddy
Read your posts for me.
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Originally Posted by ViRuS View Post
i said, for example, as im not sure of the exact restart temp, its probably closer to 70+
It doesn't set in until well over 90C.

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Originally Posted by Kramy View Post
(OT) Which myth is that? As far as we know, the globe won't actually get much warmer - but climates will shift a lot. In the tropics things will get bad; the increased hurricane activity will kill off coral reefs and a lot of sea life, forcing it northward. There's dozens of other effects too, and they spell economic disaster for many southern countries - countries around the equator.

However, global warming will turn Canada into the place to be. Our tundra will melt a bunch, and we'll have a new shipping lane up north. Large parts of the country will get more rain and longer growing seasons, so we'll have more farmland.

But a few states in the US will be screwed, if Katrina-sized hurricanes hit it 5 times per year. Other parts of the world are also in trouble - Afirca, Afghanistan, Iraq, the Philippines, etc. Temperatures have peaked at nearly 70C in parts of Afghanistan, ~60-65C in Iraq; temperatures have gone up to 45C (humid!) in the Philippines. A few celsius added on top of those temperatures is absolutely brutal, and if we care about people in other parts of the world, we should be doing something about it.
Temperature rise would quell natural distasters and lead to a much more stable (weather-wise) atmosphere.

Global warming is a myth because C02 has no direct impact on the temperature of the Earth and humans don't either.

70C = 158 F. I don't think Afghanistan is 158 F!
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It doesn't set in until well over 90C.
not meaning to be offensive here
sorry to bust the bubble, that wasnt my point, read my post, and then comment back?

thanks
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ahh, my bad. i misunderstood, apologies
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Originally Posted by Namrac View Post
Nuclearjock... you had an Opty 165 before you went C2D. Stop being an intel fanboy ass.

IF there are serious security issues, then that's not good, and Intel should definitely do something about it. Who cares if a CPU is fast if it leaves you open to a whole new level of viruses?
I've never owned(in the traditional sense) an AMD cpu in my life. But it sure looks like my current mid stream c2d owns quite a few..

Have a nice day.

Edit:
For those out there who might be keeping track, I actually had a P4 661 (3.6ghz cedar mill 65nm) directly before my "bug ridden" E6600.
anyway I've just solved the problem... I've turned on execute bit disable in bios!!!
    
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well my solution is simple drop the core 2 for a Pentium 4 netburst, then liquid nitrogen cool it and overclock to 8ghz like that one guy did then you practically have a core 2 @ 4ghz but no problems.
    
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Its an opensource os

Couldn't IT be having issues?

ALl cpu's as complex as a c2d are going to have bugs. Its just not always publicised.
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Does anyone have the actual details as to what the hell is wrong with the Core 2 Duos?
    
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Temperature rise would quell natural distasters and lead to a much more stable (weather-wise) atmosphere.

Global warming is a myth because C02 has no direct impact on the temperature of the Earth and humans don't either.

70C = 158 F. I don't think Afghanistan is 158 F!
I said peak temperatures. Even if it only gets that hot one day every 3 years, that's hot enough to kill a lot of people.

Sunlight + hot sand = oven.

We seem to disagree on the natural distasters part. Regardless of whether you believe it to be caused by global warming, natural disasters are becoming more common, and weather is getting more severe.

In this case, I think you should listen to the little guy(scientists with no hardcore proof), because even though they don't have proof of what's happening, they have proven simulations of what could happen, and what is more likely to happen. Every year they're getting closer and closer to being proven totally right, thanks to nature's increased numbers of severe natural disasters. Anyway, you need money - tons of money - to collect scientific data like weather patterns, temperatures, water currents, migration patterns, etc. for every town/region in the world. Scientists don't have the money to do that, so they mostly work as a collection of indepenants, located wherever they are located. We need a billion-dollar corporation to study it all, before the skeptics are won over. Unfortunately, oil rules the world, so that won't happen.

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Its an opensource os

Couldn't IT be having issues?

ALl cpu's as complex as a c2d are going to have bugs. Its just not always publicised.
No. BSD is perhaps the most secure OS out there. Insinuating that it might be at fault is heresy! It's like saying, "Maybe this PC P&C 750w Silencer(found in 0.1% of computers ) is at fault; I'll replace it with Generic 350W PSU(found in 80% of computers)"
     
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