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post #11 of 26
I would seriously make a run of some Delrin inserts if there was enough interest- Seems like the bow + insert would be the best combination.

Also, an O-ring at the inlet would be ideal so that it completely sealed to the outlet.
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post #12 of 26
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Yeah, it's the perfect combo for the fuzion, and I think the multi-nozzle style seems to work the best, it appears to be the least restrictive as well.

An o-ring would work well, but the one thread I saw on someone else bowing the fuzion said he thought the o-ring he used almost bowed it too much, that's why I went with the thin plastic style. A regular gasket material type flat washer would also probably work well. I sanded my washer down on both sides to roughen it up a bit, this should help it seal somewhat.

Anyhow D-tek should start selling a nozzle/bow kit, they would probably sell like hotcakes
    
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hmmm i got to get me one of these Fuzions, just to see what the hype is all about with these blocks
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hmmm i got to get me one of these Fuzions, just to see what the hype is all about with these blocks
And I'd like to get a V8, the grass is always greener..

Were only talking a few C between all the top blocks though...I just like tweaking and bowing the base did help quite a bit.

But I do have to say this bowing mod was more of an improvement than I would have expected. The swiftech chart caught my eye because if you look at it strictly for bow improvement, they saying that you can get about 3 c/w improvement by bowing the apogee GT or GTX. An E6600 can churn out something like 150 watts loaded overclocked, so per swiftech chart bowing the apogee is good for about 4.5C.

The fuzion a different design, but I also think the bowing in two directions is better than the apogees bow in one, regardless so far I've been seeing about 4C improvements when using TAT 100% load with my block an my particular IHS. Idle temps are slightly better too, but the bigging improvement is load.

Bowing also is one of those mods that decreases the consistency in results for mounts..gotta be careful in cranking down the retaining bolts. I also have since added a backplate and I'm hardmounting now to get better control over the mounting pressure.
    
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can someone explain bowing to me or point me to a guide and also what I might need to do to a fuzion when I get it besides cleaning the gunk out to make it run at its best?
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can someone explain bowing to me or point me to a guide and also what I might need to do to a fuzion when I get it besides cleaning the gunk out to make it run at its best?


I don't think it would make much of a difference on a AMD its mostly for socket 775 Intel because their mounting system is screwed up....
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post #17 of 26
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Yeah, I wouldn't bow unless it's an intel chip, I've heard hear of one person mention their temps went up with an Opty after bowing.

I would just take the block apart and clean out the gunk, and run it. Later you might try a nozzle to see if that helps, but I wouldn't mess with bowing.

All that's going on in the bow is adding a spacer in the middle top of the block. Since the block bolts together at the outer four corners and you have more material in the center the top and bottom have to flex to make up the difference, and the base gets a small bow because of that.
    
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This is how I see bowing working:
    
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post #19 of 26
did you make that yourself?

hmmm im not sure martin, you could be right, but i saw bowing a WB in a different way,
i saw it the total opposite direction as you.

You see if the WB is not bowed, the mounting screws will need to be nice and tight there for bowing the base in the oposite way hence like this WB ( IHS.

When you bow the base like this WB ) IHS, the pressure from the mounting screws will even out the base making it like this WB|IHS.

So there will be much more contact, more contact with the IHS the better, becase it allows much more heat transfer to take place.

Please correct me if im wrong anyone, but thats the idea i got of bowing.
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Yeah I did make it, and you're right with the WB giving to some extent when tighting, but it's usually not enough to completely flatten it back out, at least that's not what I saw in my TIM spread. Before it would cover the chip, now it's very clearly staying centrally located. Similar to what was shown in this bowing thread:
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...ght=bow+fuzion

Probably what happens in reality with an unbowed block is that when you tighting it down it does bend the other way WB( )IHS a very very small amount.

But what I did notice on this recent bow what I would call a minor bow is that my thermal past spread no longer evenly across the chip, it's focused and thinnest around the center. So even if the IHS is bending the wrong way, there is enough bow in the WB that the greatest contact is in the center.

I do have a backplate to help with extra pressure, but I'm not sure there is any way to bow the IHS unless it was lapped that way.
    
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