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And how many of those AREN'T from the 1990's?
From the few that I listed;

BTX
PCI-Express
SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3

At the end of the day, the age of a technology, such as PCI, should bear no relevance if it's still made use of today. Meh, I still use a Nokia 3310 cellphone as it still gets the job done.

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of any of that?
Proof that Intel implemented the technologies I listed? Somebody needs to go back to computing 101 me thinks.

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And who even uses BTX / Indio anymore and if they do why?!! IT's worthless.
Fair play, BTX was intended to be an alternative for ATX in an effort to increase air flow over the components. Bear in mind that it was implemented in the days of Prescott and we all know how hot they would run. Though nowadays its only ever used in servers and machines that are turned on 24/7 in an effort to maintain their lifespan. With regards to Indeo, damn near any budget webcam made by companies such as Creative, Logitech, etc, makes use of it for their video capture codec.

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Intel didnt "innovate" the form factors...what did they do? "Lets put theese holes in random places all over the mobo, and force the case makers to put holes there"
Well ATX sure as hell has stood the test of time so far, I'd call that an innovation. I suppose you could design a better way of formatting a mainboard yourself whilst taking into account manufactureing processes and component location?

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The remaining BTX parts are still being sold off, but it doesn't have a market outside of the business world.
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Basically, case makers said no though.

Reeeeeee-jected.
Chassis manufacturers and system builders didn't flat-out reject BTX, they simply decided that it would be more cost effective to limit the use of the BTX form factor to their business models. Thus it never really saw much use in home desktops.

On a side note, BTX isn't the only time Intel has implemented a new design or standard that didn't really take off. I doubt very much that many people here have heard of CNR. Communication Network Riser was basically a new type of motherboard connection, similar to PCI and AGP, but was dedicated for the use of network adapters, such as NIC's and modems, in order to desaturate the limited bandwidth on the PCI bus.
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I doubt very much that many people here have heard of CNR. Communication Network Riser was basically a new type of motherboard connection, similar to PCI and AGP, but was dedicated for the use of network adapters, such as NIC's and modems, in order to desaturate the limited bandwidth on the PCI bus.
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With all of Intel's "innovation" you'd think that they would be able to design their own 64bit CPUs without licensing from AMD.
Have you heard about the Intel Itanium processors? They are currently a compelte Intel 64bit design, they just scrapped x86 compatibility to do a true 64bit platform for servers, with pretty good results. Actually the Itanium IA64 architecture is older than the AMD64 extensions to the IA32 architecture. It's not enough? Sure, you ca'nt run standard software... but that's another matter.
     
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Have you heard about the Intel Itanium processors? They are currently a compelte Intel 64bit design, they just scrapped x86 compatibility to do a true 64bit platform for servers, with pretty good results. Actually the Itanium IA64 architecture is older than the AMD64 extensions to the IA32 architecture. It's not enough? Sure, you ca'nt run standard software... but that's another matter.
I thought the Itanium was similar to the Prescott with respect to heat, ie, it can be used as a space heater.
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To be fair, AMD hasn't innovated with their processors since their integrated memory controller. IMC versus P3 that's what, 5 years apart? That's FOREVER in the computer world.
You must be slipping
As previously mentioned... the fact that AMD inovated the true 32/64 bit CPU when 'they' couldn't
You must be over worked and over tired, thats not like you
    
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post #36 of 50
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From the few that I listed;

BTX
PCI-Express
SSE2, SSE3, SSSE3

At the end of the day, the age of a technology, such as PCI, should bear no relevance if it's still made use of today. Meh, I still use a Nokia 3310 cellphone as it still gets the job done.



Proof that Intel implemented the technologies I listed? Somebody needs to go back to computing 101 me thinks.



Fair play, BTX was intended to be an alternative for ATX in an effort to increase air flow over the components. Bear in mind that it was implemented in the days of Prescott and we all know how hot they would run. Though nowadays its only ever used in servers and machines that are turned on 24/7 in an effort to maintain their lifespan. With regards to Indeo, damn near any budget webcam made by companies such as Creative, Logitech, etc, makes use of it for their video capture codec.



Well ATX sure as hell has stood the test of time so far, I'd call that an innovation. I suppose you could design a better way of formatting a mainboard yourself whilst taking into account manufactureing processes and component location?



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Chassis manufacturers and system builders didn't flat-out reject BTX, they simply decided that it would be more cost effective to limit the use of the BTX form factor to their business models. Thus it never really saw much use in home desktops.

On a side note, BTX isn't the only time Intel has implemented a new design or standard that didn't really take off. I doubt very much that many people here have heard of CNR. Communication Network Riser was basically a new type of motherboard connection, similar to PCI and AGP, but was dedicated for the use of network adapters, such as NIC's and modems, in order to desaturate the limited bandwidth on the PCI bus.
I know the SSE's but other than that I didn't exactly know, nor did I see 100% proof of a patent.

Secondly, both companies have contributed a lot. Either way if one died the other would slow down.. So who cares who made more, all I care about is AMD staying alive and bringing it on.
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Either way if one died the other would slow down.. So who cares who made more, all I care about is AMD staying alive and bringing it on.
And that's what it all really boils down to really. Either way, I'm sure AMD will get their Barcelona cores out by the end of the year. The only AMD news these days seems to be nothing but delay after delay, though regardless of this I'm sure the Phenom's will be out in force by Q1 next year, its just a case of waiting now.

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You must be slipping
As previously mentioned... the fact that AMD inovated the true 32/64 bit CPU when 'they' couldn't
You must be over worked and over tired, thats not like you
AMD was not the first company to implement 64-bit technology into their processors, nor was Intel, or even IBM. To the best of my knowledge the first 64-bit processor was developed in 1991 by MIPS technologies. This processor was mainly used in SGI Indigo workstations. Forms of 64-bit calculations were carried out by processors before 1991, though MIPS's implementation was the world's first "true" 64-bit processor.

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R4000™, the first 64-bit microprocessor, named "Microprocessor of the Year" by Microprocessor Report.

MIPS Technolgies, 2007, Milestones - 1991;
http://www.mips.com/company/about_us/Milestones.php
Accessed: 22/06/2007
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AMD was not the first company to implement 64-bit technology into their processors, nor was Intel, or even IBM. To the best of my knowledge the first 64-bit processor was developed in 1991 by MIPS technologies. This processor was mainly used in SGI Indigo workstations.
so it was 64bit? i thought the argument was that AMD introduce the first 32/64bit chip?
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so it was 64bit? i thought the argument was that AMD introduce the first 32/64bit chip?
AMD was the first company to introduce a 64-bit capable CPU to the home desktop market but they most certainly weren't the pioneer's of 64-bit technology, nor did they release the first 64-bit processor. SGI were useing the R4000 in 1991, years before AMD released the Athlon 64. Its a simple case of looking at the bigger picture though I doubt very much that many people have even heard of MIPS Technologies.
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AMD was the first company to introduce a 64-bit capable CPU to the home desktop market but they most certainly weren't the pioneer's of 64-bit technology, nor did they release the first 64-bit processor. SGI were useing the R4000 in 1991, years before AMD released the Athlon 64. Its a simple case of looking at the bigger picture though I doubt very much that many people have even heard of MIPS Technologies.
They did pioneer dual core at least if i recall. If not oh well.
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