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way too many words
You used your extra $200 to buy a C2D, I went AMD and I used the $200 I saved by not going C2D to buy an 8800GTS. Calm down and think a little more about it next time before you post. The point I was trying to make was quite obvious, in fact I am surprised that it needed any further explanation.

Also, please refrain from making personal attacks, it is against the TOS. I am not a fool solely because my opinion differs from yours.

To stay partially on topic... Intel bribing dell is only one of the reasons I will be waiting for Phenom, regardless of how far AMD pushes it back.


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Companies pay money to have their product be the solely supported product all the time. It's no different than endorsements.
\\/\\/\\/\\/ Endorsements are usually done in secret? We aren't talking about Tiger Woods endorsing a golf ball here. Actually, it isn't me calling it bribery, it's the suit AMD is currently pursuing against Intel.

An exclusivity agreement and an exclusion agreement are two totally different animals my friend. Obviously you are having trouble with this concept.
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it had better come out soon or there will be no "AMD" left to release anything.i whant to see how these things stack up to intel NOW not next year,I also whant a upgrade for my curent rig i dont whant to have to go out and pay out the @$$ for some intel CPU and MOBO that isent that much faster than what i have now.
I hate to break it to you, but buying an intel system that would beat what you have now would be relatively cheap; definitely cheaper than any new CPU line that would be coming out from either intel or AMD.

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To stay partially on topic... Intel bribing dell is only one of the reasons I will be waiting for Phenom, regardless of how far AMD pushes it back.
Companies pay money to have their product be the solely supported product all the time. It's no different than endorsements. Calling it bribery is you adding your personal opinion of intel to what actually happened.
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Keep On Topic :swearing:
In the words of the great Duke ...

Maybe it would be wise to create two off topic threads, and maybe they could be labeled "All Fanbois appeal to emotion" that would be the thread designated for Intel fanbois to bash AMD then there would be a thread for AMD fanbois to bash Intel, "All fanbois appeal to ignorance". Of course there are many more fallacious arguments in circulation but those seem to be the two prevailing themes.

In this case appeal to ignorance takes the form of,

There is no evidence for p.
Therefore, not-p.

p=next gen AMD quad(phenom)

Rest assured I have learned my lesson and will never again post such a divisive topic in the news section. It would seem more appropriately placed in the rants section, my mistake.
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Companies pay money to have their product be the solely supported product all the time. It's no different than endorsements. Calling it bribery is you adding your personal opinion of intel to what actually happened.
One last off topic: Bribes, kickbacks, it's not my opinion, it was in the news:
http://hardware.seekingalpha.com/article/25894

instead of posting another off topic reply, I'll just add another news source:
http://money.cnn.com/blogs/legalpad/...illion_15.html
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If they had more capital, they would have significantly more 'bullying power to bribe for exclusivity'. The reason they would invest in research divisions/partnerships in their current state is because they are small, and are getting pwned. If AMD were in Intel's situation, with the same company, they would do similar things.
Different CEO, different history. AMD has always been bullied by Intel. I believe they've learned from that, and would not fall in the same trap.
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I hate to break it to you, but buying an intel system that would beat what you have now would be relatively cheap; definitely cheaper than any new CPU line that would be coming out from either intel or AMD.
But not 5 months ago. In Canada Intel still has a ways to go for prices. AMD seems to be able to get everything over the border much cheaper.

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It would seem more appropriately placed in the rants section, my mistake.
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You used your extra $200 to buy a C2D, I went AMD and I used the $200 I saved by not going C2D to buy an 8800GTS. Calm down and think a little more about it next time before you post. The point I was trying to make was quite obvious, in fact I am surprised that it needed any further explanation.

Also, please refrain from making personal attacks, it is against the TOS. I am not a fool solely because my opinion differs from yours.

To stay partially on topic... Intel bribing dell is only one of the reasons I will be waiting for Phenom, regardless of how far AMD pushes it back.




\\/\\/\\/\\/ Endorsements are usually done in secret? We aren't talking about Tiger Woods endorsing a golf ball here. Actually, it isn't me calling it bribery, it's the suit AMD is currently pursuing against Intel.

An exclusivity agreement and an exclusion agreement are two totally different animals my friend. Obviously you are having trouble with this concept.
It's funny how I see you accusing someone else of personal attacks, yet you have come close to crossing the line in a couple of posts now. Hypocrisy is no fun.

If the deal were not done "in secret" it would have made it much more difficult to complete. In general, you don't hear about such deals anyway, regardless of how you view them. For example, Coca-Cola has a deal with my University to be the only supplier of pop on campus; yet the public was not informed until after the deal was over. I hate most Coca-Cola products, yet to say Coca-Cola bribed the University would be a false statement.

If you want to use the word "bribery", then let us see some evidence of something illegal that transpired between Dell and intel that culminated in the transfer of money to keep Dell quiet. My only point is that bribery is a word with a negative connotation, so better ones could be chosen.

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One last off topic: Bribes, kickbacks, it's not my opinion, it was in the news:
http://hardware.seekingalpha.com/article/25894
AMD can claim whatever they want. AMD and intel have been suing each other left and right for years. Just because one side claims the other did some evil things doesn't mean it is true, nor does it imply the innocence of the suing party. If intel did do something illegal, then they should be punished and then the word "bribery" can be used once they have been found guilty; otherwise it's just slander. I guarantee you that AMD isn't as clean as they want to appear by making this lawsuit.
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It's funny how I see you accusing someone else of personal attacks, yet you have come close to crossing the line in a couple of posts now. Hypocrisy is no fun.
Could you please point those exact post out since you seem apt to make accusations? There is a difference between calling names(personal attack) and telling an obviously irate person to calm down and think. One is productive, one is not. I have not come close to crossing any line... please do not make false implications to help your side of the argument.

I'm not going to crap up this thread any further with OT arguments, so if you have anything else to say regarding this issue please take it to PM.
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I think AMD would know better than some random motherboard manufacturer when their chips are coming out.

That being said, I hope it does come out this year, because they said September for the server chips, then they said August. If they bump it to March now, I will be mildly upset. However, my current rig is plenty fast for what I use it for, so I won't be upgrading for some time, any way.

Also, I agree to some extent with what iandh said. Macs started using Intels before C2D, right? Why would they have started off using an inferior processor? If Mac didn't start using Intels until C2D, then that point is invalid.

I do find it at least some what disturbing that AMD has been known by enthusiasts to have better performance from the late 90s until very recently (C2D's release) and that you almost never saw OEM companies using AMD chips. E Machines did, and maybe a few othersm, but a VAST majority of companies used the inferior (at the time) Intel technology. If a company were to start using solely Intel right now, I could see it. But the fact that they exclusively used inferior technology (especially in Notebooks) makes me wonder even mroe about Intel's business strategies.
    
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Could you please point those exact post out since you seem apt to make accusations? There is a difference between calling names(personal attack) and telling an obviously irate person to calm down and think. One is productive, one is not. I have not come close to crossing any line... please do not make false implications to help your side of the argument.

I'm not going to crap up this thread any further with OT arguments, so if you have anything else to say regarding this issue please take it to PM.
You have already "crapped up" the thread. If you can't see where you insulted my intelligence in your previous post, or where you are being a hypocrite in the post I am quoting here then you have other issues to resolve.
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It is possible the sources have lied to us... But why?
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