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Originally Posted by MuNcHeR23 View Post
Right around 61C is what Intel states as the Max for most C2D's... Not that staying as low as possible is a bad idea.. Everyone should stay as low as possible.. However, 61C load is really all that hot for a CPU.. Remember 55C idle Celerons?

Yes, 3 different results from various programs is odd.. Only thing I can think is that those programs were last updated before the 4400 was released.. That could have a little to do with it..

Your concerns for high temps, I dont think are needed... Example: His 66C reading was his DTS reading.. No one knows how far the DTS can be pushed.. Intel gives us the T_case max and Not a DTS max... 66C DTS means he is probably around 59C-60C T_case...Again under Intel's Max temp.. But that has everything to do with whether or not he is getting an accurate DTS reading..
yeah, i remember those celly's (yet im 15, dont ask)
yeah, i can see your point on the 4400 update thing thats a likely fault.
and i missed the bit about DTS, i thought we were talking T_junc/case
in which case, i should be worried

i still believe it to be a tad too high for my personal liking.
i have a P4 willamette & northy that never go above 49C (stock)
so i guess im spoiled with good steppings xD

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Did you read my EDIT?

Already been down that road man.. but good luck.. hope they give something good out..


DID YOU READ MY EDIT


Nooo, just foolin man, no harm intended. Thanks for all the advice, I'll probably post exactly what you said they would say lol am I stubborn or what

still on hold...

got hung up on, here goes another try...
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DID YOU READ MY EDIT


Nooo, just foolin man, no harm intended. Thanks for all the advice, I'll probably post exactly what you said they would say lol am I stubborn or what

still on hold...
I never let someone else do it for me, or advise me not to.. Im the type that has to do it for myself.. So I completely understand your need to call Intel.. With my information you have now, you should be in a better position to ask questions than I was.. When I talked to them I knew nothing about DTS/T_case/T_junction..
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Ok, on hold again for the next pitch! lol
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Alright. Here is what he said. Mind you, large corporations hire in other countries to cut costs, so I highly doubt the man I talked to knew what he was talking about.

Infact, I think they just hire them to read off their own websites, but thats just my opinion.

I asked him what temperature monitoring software to use, and like muncher said, he said you must have an intel chipset.

However, I did not stop there. I asked what temperatures to look at, saying, "the CPU or the Cores, Tcase or Tjunction"

First he said that the CPU was the Tcase, and I pressed it, saying are you sure. He then said that his monitors do not monitor either of those, just an 'average'.

So I said, you don't even reccommend any?

He said the one that comes with the motherboard.

In conclusion, i think (THINK not know) that the CPU is the temp we should watch out for. Not the Tjunctions, cause he said the average.

Basically just a restatement of muncher's hypothesis.

Oh yeah, he also said 60 to 70c range, any thing in there is fine, but I don't trust it... or him...

Well thats all for me, I think i'll run at 3.0 and be happy!

Oh, just one more question. The whole reason I wanted to get to 3.2 is so I could run it at 3. I heard that you should run 200mhz under your max stable overclock, to keep safe from:
- ambient (outside) temperature changes
-dust in components especially heatsink
-PSU degrading
All of which will make your temps go up in the future, and cause an unstable system

Is this true, or can I just put it at 3.0?

I can definately keep it at 3.1, but temps are in the mid to high 50's

(temps, lol, means nothing now...)
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Oh, just one more question. The whole reason I wanted to get to 3.2 is so I could run it at 3. I heard that you should run 200mhz under your max stable overclock, to keep safe from:
- ambient (outside) temperature changes
-dust in components especially heatsink
-PSU degrading
All of which will make your temps go up in the future, and cause an unstable system

Is this true, or can I just put it at 3.0?

I can definately keep it at 3.1, but temps are in the mid to high 50's

(temps, lol, means nothing now...)
I would say that couldn't be a bad practice.. I do remember doing that from back in the day, but really haven't done it in a few years.. I would think if you have a good PSU and you keep track of your temps and notice when they are too high, you should be ok just oc'ing to your max stable oc..

Thanks for the Intel information.. And to clear up just one thing.. Intel's software for monitoring cpus works only on INTEL BRAND motherboards.. Not aftermarket motherboards with Intel chipsets.. So if you have a Gigabyte 965P motherboard Intel's software will not work for you.. But if you have an Intel BOXDG965M you can run the software..
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YEP YEP YEP.

Here's a tip, just listen to muncher. It'll save you a lot of time. Thanks alot dude, u just got some pos feedback!
(i know, so exciting...lol)
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Hey, just for kicks, here is my final oc (gonna run it for 12 hrs)

Muncher and anyone else, tell me what you think!

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Well depending on how closely related the 4400 is to the 4300, I would suggest going even lower with your multi.. IDK about the 4400's, but the 4300's love the 8x multi, and usually they can get a higher fsb and match a higher multis final overclock... Plus, most importantly, they stay near stock vcore or lower..

Who knows maybe the 4400's will like the 8x multi... I have my 4300 running 8x400 @1.28vcore.. Stays so much cooler than the 9x @ 1.5vcore....

Strong OC man...nice job..

and thanks for the compliment..
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Ok, just thought the 8x multi will put too much strain on the mobo, don't know where I got that random thought tho... I'm goin 8x

I'll update soon...
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