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No, it has nothing to do with that. Maybe you don't understand.

Lets say that a 2.0Ghz Core 2 Duo matches a 4.0Ghz P4. That means that the C2D is doing 100% (or double) the performance per clock.
First of all Paul, I admire you; you're one of the best knowlagable tech-savvy guys in this big forum.

Yes & C2D is doing better because of the performance per clock. a heart that beats slower is better than one that beats faster because the slower heart pumps more blood each beat and does not tire itself. So in other words Intel's C2D shares the same AMD architecture goals.

But what makes you pretty skeptical regarding AMD's True-Quad cores performance.
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post #52 of 71
I thought for a second the title was "AMD is seeing STARS" ...

I digress, Ok we don't have the chips on hand so everything is just speculation on both sides... right now Intel is on a rampage and will definitely answer anything that AMD develops.

As for the years AMD was "king" , yes we all knew they had the better chips but the masses were enthralled by the blue man group and Intel's marketing. It seems Intel is intent on never losing the crown. This is looking like the cold war, where both sides one-up the other into bankruptcy.

But you never know... the only thing good out of this is cheaper/better/faster chips for us enthusiasts to ogle over.

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First of all Paul, I admire you; you're one of the best knowlagable tech-savvy guys in this big forum.

Yes & C2D is doing better because of the performance per clock. a heart that beats slower is better than one that beats faster because the slower heart pumps more blood each beat and does not tire itself. So in other words Intel's C2D shares the same AMD architecture goals.

But what makes you pretty skeptical regarding AMD's True-Quad cores performance.
Native Quad or "glued-together" whats difference?

Intel's speed cap for C2D is quite high, Mine runs 3.5Ghz on almost stock voltage, thats a massive 1.1Ghz OC.


Just remember, Penryn debuts the same time. 45nm Quads that are 10-15% faster per clock cycle than Kents
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Native Quad or "glued-together" whats difference?

Intel's speed cap for C2D is quite high, Mine runs 3.5Ghz on almost stock voltage, thats a massive 1.1Ghz OC.


Just remember, Penryn debuts the same time. 45nm Quads that are 10-15% faster per clock cycle than Kents
It's for the application advantage, the great good. I guess going native is something Intel -with their flagship CPU's- can't afford at the time being. maybe after 2-3 years we will see a native Quad & Octa-Core Xeon.
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post #55 of 71
AMD's chances are getting pretty slim with each delay they put on....now about that name change....
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post #56 of 71
I sure hope AMD can pull through with something competitive. There is nothing better than competition to bring out the best in company's capabilities. So for all you people that want to buy front row tickets to AMD's fall, well I hope you prepare to pay insanely over priced tickets, as you would soon after have to with CPUs as well.


Now what was this about AMD+IBM?


Also, don't be bashing AMD fanboys. . . If it wasn't for the people who stick by companies through the thick and thin, keeping them[AMD] afloat, Intel would have no need to progress with technology.


Sore subject much? stupid EA buying the rights to the NFL...*mutters to self*
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I can't stand AMD names, intel is so much easier, higher number=better proc, no brisbane, california, athens, south dakoda, north africa, ect... Which is better 6600 or 6700, easy 67, which is better 5600 +-*=/7 just outside of new guinea or 5600+--*-*-*****-/9 amsterdam... well answer that

this is why I know nothing about AMD
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Originally Posted by SZayat View Post
First of all Paul, I admire you; you're one of the best knowlagable tech-savvy guys in this big forum.

Yes & C2D is doing better because of the performance per clock. a heart that beats slower is better than one that beats faster because the slower heart pumps more blood each beat and does not tire itself. So in other words Intel's C2D shares the same AMD architecture goals.

But what makes you pretty skeptical regarding AMD's True-Quad cores performance.
Again here is why I am skeptical.

For the infinite time, because Barcelona is launching at such low clocks I do not think it will be able to compete with Intel. Clearly the architecture does not scale well as AMD is having to constantly decrease the launch speed (2.6Ghz > 2.5Ghz > 2.2Ghz > 2.0Ghz) and delay the launch date.

At the present launch speed (2.0Ghz), it would have to be 50% faster clock for clock than Intel Xeon 5XXX series in order to match its performance. However, the Xeon's will be native quad core and clocked even faster around the launch of Barcelona. Barcelona is going to be competing right off the bad with a native quad core (why is that so special?) 1333Mhz FSB, 45nm Intel Xeon clocked in excess of 3.0Ghz.

I find it reasonable to be skeptical of Barcelona posting 50% or better performance clock for clock. Especially with the only benchmark we have to gauge performance on show Barcelona slower than the Core 2 Quad Q6600.

I find these all very good reasons to be skeptical.
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Jeeeeeesus. So much hate. Methinks it's repressed anger and fear. Comon' you can tell us. Where did AMD touch you?
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I find it reasonable to be skeptical of Barcelona posting 50% or better performance clock for clock. Especially with the only benchmark we have to gauge performance on show Barcelona slower than the Core 2 Quad Q6600.

I find these all very good reasons to be skeptical.
Great Overview but still it's based on skepticalism
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