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yeah, to all those saying the 8800 is useless when you have an 1950XT should go look up some more benchmarks. I still only paid $300 canadian on my card while you probably spend GTX on yours and my card will rape your in just about any DX9 game, the 8800 series are a steal compared to any DX9 offering.
    
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I think people with high end DX9 cards are safe for a while Moving up to DX10 at current is proving to be abit premature it seems.
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The whole overclock.net community seems to be full of ignorant people, who take any information they see and believe it.

I mean seriously, wait until actual benchmarks are released by multiple DX10(non-port) games before you judge. Also, saying that people wasted $600 on graphics cards is outright wrong. Some people(like me), didn't pay $600 for a 8800GTX. Some people were in different situations. Not everyone upgraded, some people bought their first gaming system with DX10 cards, paying probably the same amount you did back then for your current system. There are numerous reasons why people bought DX10 cards, so don't bash them because they had the money to buy what they wanted/needed.

So before we judge the 8800s/2900s performance in DX10 we should wait until the games are non-port and well coded? Thats incredibly funny, by then we will have at least a die shrink of current offerings if not an entirely new architecture. ATM performance and frankly eye candy in DX10 are sorely lacking, thats what I was "bashing".

I only payed $120 for my 7600gt almost a year ago... and for the gaming(minimal) I do on a 17" monitor it gets the job done. The exception to the rule would be people gaming on massive monitors with eye candy cranked way up, in which case an 8800 series card would have been needed. If I had bought an 8800gts around launch and played dx9 based games all this time I would be thoroughly satisfied with my purchase. However I don't think people who bought the 8800gts for dx10 can say the same. Although I would be surprised if many had purchased any of these first generation "dx10" cards and expected stellar performance in native dx10.
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ATM performance and frankly eye candy in DX10 are sorely lacking, thats what I was "bashing".
That was my point, you can't say DX10 sucks as of yet, everything has problems after release. And just because DX10 cards have DX10, doesn't mean thats ONLY what they are good for. Why did people buy top of the line DX9 cards before the DX10 cards came out? Because they wanted better performance in current(DX9) games. So the people who bought high end cards this time around have great performance in current games. Even if it does take 2-3 years for DX10 to become main stream, People with high end cards wont have to upgrade as much as others, baring some horribly coded DX10 ports.


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I only payed $120 for my 7600gt almost a year ago... and for the gaming(minimal) I do on a 17" monitor it gets the job done. The exception to the rule would be people gaming on massive monitors with eye candy cranked way up, in which case an 8800 series card would have been needed.

I play on on a 22", don't know if thats what you consider massive. But again, that was why I said people bought these cards for different reasons.


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If I had bought an 8800gts around launch and played dx9 based games all this time I would be thoroughly satisfied with my purchase. However I don't think people who bought the 8800gts for dx10 can say the same. Although I would be surprised if many had purchased any of these first generation "dx10" cards and expected stellar performance in native dx10.
I agree with you here, if ALL they wanted was DX10 games, then I suppose this is a let down for them(so far). There could be even DX10 ports soon that are actually pretty good. Nevertheless, they still have a good card that will last them quite some time, maybe even longer than their last card.
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All it says is that you will need to work your *** off for money to buy top of the range equipment. Ill stick to DX9 and Xp thank you very much. no hassels.
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So before we judge the 8800s/2900s performance in DX10 we should wait until the games are non-port and well coded? Thats incredibly funny, by then we will have at least a die shrink of current offerings if not an entirely new architecture. ATM performance and frankly eye candy in DX10 are sorely lacking, thats what I was "bashing".
Guess what? When the new die-shrink comes out, I'm gonna run straight out and buy one! I've got money just burning a hole in my pocket waiting to be spent on the newest card.

Better yet, I may sit on my 8800GTS to play the first round of DX10 titles, and then skip the 2nd gen cards... then all of you that skipped the 1st gen DX10 cards will be crying when you're stuck with 2nd gen DX10 cards that won't run 2nd gen DX10 games that are released next summer and winter, and I'll be laughing when I buy a 3rd gen DX10 card with the money I saved!

The argument is rather pointless... don't you all see?
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Guess what? When the new die-shrink comes out, I'm gonna run straight out and buy one! I've got money just burning a hole in my pocket waiting to be spent on the newest card.

Better yet, I may sit on my 8800GTS to play the first round of DX10 titles, and then skip the 2nd gen cards... then all of you that skipped the 1st gen DX10 cards will be crying when you're stuck with 2nd gen DX10 cards that won't run 2nd gen DX10 games that are released next summer and winter, and I'll be laughing when I buy a 3rd gen DX10 card with the money I saved!

The argument is rather pointless... don't you all see?
I guess the argument is pointless the way you phrased it... But most people don't have c-notes burning a hole in their pocket. Better yet what card did you upgrade from? You seem to be defending your purchase rather than building a viable argument.

As I said, and I quote "If I had bought an 8800gts around launch and played dx9 based games all this time I would be thoroughly satisfied with my purchase. However I don't think people who bought the 8800gts for dx10 can say the same."

In other words, my only take is if someone is sitting on last generation hardware ie 7950gt/1950xt why waste money on a feature(dx10) that currently is not readily supported or fully utilized/optimized?
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I think people with high end DX9 cards are safe for a while Moving up to DX10 at current is proving to be abit premature it seems.
Premature eja... er, installation?
    
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I guess the argument is pointless the way you phrased it... But most people don't have c-notes burning a hole in their pocket. Better yet what card did you upgrade from? You seem to be defending your purchase rather than building a viable argument.?
I was mostly being sarcastic... I'm actually a notorious cheapskate and really would rather put money in savings. The point I was trying to make was that people in the market segment that are willing to shell out big $$$ for a card typically are not concerned with anything but having the highest performance.

My argument is quite viable...

I bought my 8800 a month ago, but waiting for the next 2nd gen DX10 cards could be about as successful as waiting for R600 like I did

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As I said, and I quote "If I had bought an 8800gts around launch and played dx9 based games all this time I would be thoroughly satisfied with my purchase. However I don't think people who bought the 8800gts for dx10 can say the same."?
This is overall a fair statement, but as I said above, I am a cheapskate and don't shell out cash for things without thinking it over thoroughly. I purchased an 8800 for two reasons:

1. Because I wanted to max Oblivion on my 20" WS, and be able to run HDR and AA simultaneously.

2. Because I feel very confident that it will run the two games I am looking forward to this fall, Crysis and Bioshock. I don't see a high likelyhood that video card refresh will be out before Bioshock is released on Aug 21st (I think that's it), so for those such as myself that would like to play it cranked at release an 8800 or 2900 is the only option. They may release one for Crysis but I am thinking more along the lines of christmas, so once again this falls on the 8800 or 2900.

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In other words, my only take is if someone is sitting on last generation hardware ie 7950gt/1950xt why waste money on a feature(dx10) that currently is not readily supported or fully utilized/optimized?
I had an x1950pro, and it was an awesome card but could not run the game that I wanted to play at the settings I wanted, so I got a better card.





edit: The title of this thread should be changed to "Let's call people who bought 8800's stupid just because"

The thing that really kills me is that many of the people coming into this thread have C2D's*. So you think it is stupid to spend $300 on a video card that doubles your framerates, but you'll spend $300 upgrading to C2D to get 3fps more!?

*disclaimer: as usual the validity of my point depends on what you use your system for. In this case I am referring solely to gaming.
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I was mostly being sarcastic... I'm actually a notorious cheapskate and really would rather put money in savings. The point I was trying to make was that people in the market segment that are willing to shell out big $$$ for a card typically are not concerned with anything but having the highest performance.
Fair enough, didn't key on the sarcasm since it can be difficult to pick on in forum at times, I just assumed you were rich .

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My argument is quite viable...

I bought my 8800 a month ago, but waiting for the next 2nd gen DX10 cards could be about as successful as waiting for R600 like I did



This is overall a fair statement, but as I said above, I am a cheapskate and don't shell out cash for things without thinking it over thoroughly. I purchased an 8800 for two reasons:

1. Because I wanted to max Oblivion on my 20" WS, and be able to run HDR and AA simultaneously.

2. Because I feel very confident that it will run the two games I am looking forward to this fall, Crysis and Bioshock. I don't see a high likelyhood that video card refresh will be out before Bioshock is released on Aug 21st (I think that's it), so for those such as myself that would like to play it cranked at release an 8800 or 2900 is the only option. They may release one for Crysis but I am thinking more along the lines of christmas, so once again this falls on the 8800 or 2900.



I had an x1950pro, and it was an awesome card but could not run the game that I wanted to play at the settings I wanted, so I got a better card.
Again, fair enough didn't mean to "attack you personally" I thought you were seriously taking the "well I'm rich b*tch" argument tact. That argument tends to raise my ire, mostly because I'm not rich .

Yeah I'm really looking forward to BioShock as well, I only hope my 7600gt can handle it on low settings and a 17" screen.
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