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Interesting read for sure. Hard to know who to believe anymore.

Link: http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=567&tag=nl.e539

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It’s fictitious since AMD doesn’t have a 2.6 GHz Barcelona quad-core CPU and they won’t even have it in September which is already late by AMD’s original timeline. The fastest Barcelona processor coming out in September is 2.0 GHz. It isn’t really clear when AMD will be able to ramp up the clock speed an extra 30% to get to 2.6 GHz but it most likely won’t be any time soon because processors don’t just ramp 30% over night.
The numbers AMD posted for Intel’s XEON X5355 and X5160 have been outdated since April 2007 and you need a magnifying glass to see that disclaimer in the fine print on the bottom. The actual up-to-date SPEC.org certified scores for the two Intel products listed are significantly higher. It not like AMD can claim that they forgot to include the very latest scores which were just posted days ago, we’re talking months here so it’s a blatant omission.
Intel’s XEON X5365 3.0 GHz quad-core CPU which shipped back in April was deliberately omitted from these results even though AMD showed off numbers for a 2.6 GHz Barcelona chip which doesn’t even have a launch date yet. Putting in 2.0 GHz Barcelona scores would be shady enough since the part hasn’t officially launched yet but including 2.6 GHz Barcelona scores is just outrageous

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As you can see from above, AMD’s claim that they have a 20% clock-for-clock advantage with Barcelona is simply wrong. Based on the latest certified SPEC.org results, AMD has a little more than a 1% clock-for-clock performance advantage in a dual-socket 8-core Server configuration but they have 50% clock speed deficit when the Barcelona finally launches in September. That means Barcelona will not be the Intel quad-core killer that AMD has been promising for most of this year and it won’t even be close.
The deception doesn’t end with the quad-cores; AMD is also claiming to have an advantage on dual-core processors when in fact they have a major performance deficit. AMD claims to have a 2.5% advantage when Intel actually has a 14.7% advantage when you’re looking at the certified SPEC.org scores.
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Once again, anything is meaningless until it comes out. They could change something before then, and the test might've been done wrong. Too many things. Just wait until it comes out...speculation is useless... :/
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I don't want to read about the chip. I'm sick of that.
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Once again, anything is meaningless until it comes out. They could change something before then, and the test might've been done wrong. Too many things. Just wait until it comes out...speculation is useless... :/
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It isn’t really clear when AMD will be able to ramp up the clock speed an extra 30% to get to 2.6 GHz but it most likely won’t be any time soon because processors don’t just ramp 30% over night.
If I mess with the BIOS settings around midnight and come back in the morning, my CPU is "ramped" up, no?
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Hard to know who to believe anymore.
Thats for sure. Until the chips are released, I am going to try not to read anything about it. Sounds like nothing is true. I am sick of hearing about the failure/superiority of Barcelona. I am also sick of the iPhone....heh.
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Really though, this is a blog and should be taken less than the INQ.
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So who doesn't pick and choose benchies that make their product look better? AMD isn't the first to do this and certainly will not be the last.
    
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AMD’s claim that they have a 20% clock-for-clock advantage with Barcelona is simply wrong. Based on the latest certified SPEC.org results, AMD has a little more than a 1% clock-for-clock performance advantage in a dual-socket 8-core Server configuration but they have 50% clock speed deficit when the Barcelona finally launches in September. That means Barcelona will not be the Intel quad-core killer that AMD has been promising for most of this year and it won’t even be close.
LMAO!

What a rough year for these guys! Betcha their AS5 is sore!
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AMD has a little more than a 1% clock-for-clock performance advantage in a dual-socket 8-core Server configuration but they have 50% clock speed deficit when the Barcelona finally launches in September. That means Barcelona will not be the Intel quad-core killer that AMD has been promising for most of this year and it won’t even be close.
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