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Poll Results: Is it beneficial to lower the multiplier on your CPU?

 
  • 39% (16)
    Yes, definatley gives me more performance.
  • 19% (8)
    Yes, but not for the above reason.
  • 12% (5)
    No, too hard to find my best overclock.
  • 2% (1)
    No, but not for the above reason.
  • 26% (11)
    I have no clue.
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post #21 of 46
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Originally Posted by blacklight115 View Post
But the point I am trying to make is that with a lower multiplier the straps become almost impossible to predict, and you could be limited by your nbcc, causing your system to lose stability before you reach your max overclock. If we all had a lot more extra time on our hands, we could all test each fsb on each multiplier, and find our personal best clock for our specific system. But I figured out, that takes a LONG LONG time.
.... And it's worth it.

That goes along with my earlier point of "taking the easy way out" (in my case.)
    
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yes i think you should keep your ram as close to 800,like a lowerx 400x8=ram 1:1=800 =stable less stess on mobo maybe abit more on ram but my gskills can handle it,400x9 you ram just cant keep up,so your stressing your cpu plus more heat,imo ps im sure i could go higher but dont see the need to,i might for ****s and giggles tho
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post #23 of 46
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Originally Posted by Choggs396 View Post
Did you not notice that I'm running my Memory at it's max rated speed?

If I wanted to go higher with RAM, I'll probably OC my processor a little more by increasing the FSB. I seriously think running at a ratio, in my case, would be taking the easy way out from achieving a synchronous FSB:RAM. Besides, 680i chipsets can achieve 450FSB+ with decent cooling. I could up it to a multi of 9, which in my case would be Ideal if I could get my CPU at 3.6GHz (still working on this one), and my RAM would again be running at max rated speeds at a 1:1 ratio.
But the synced ratio does not perform as well as the others... In a sense it is the worst, unless you have really crappy RAM and are forced to use it. Otherwise you could raise your multiplier which would lower your FSB at the same CPU speed, and it would allow you to run a better RATIO with your RAM, even if it is not 2:3, 4:5, or 1:2. (FSB:RAM)

Your board supports unlinked, which, correct me if I'm wrong, still links the FSB and memory, but does it at a more precise ratio, so you can get closer to the max. This would in turn give you:
-More stability (I know you don't care about that, cause your system is perfectly stable now)
-Better performance because of the ratio your RAM is running at.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but that is what I get out of all this.
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I like feeling like I have more control over my rig so I vote yes.
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Originally Posted by phillipjos View Post
yes i think you should keep your ram as close to 800,like a lowerx 400x8=ram 1:1=800 =stable less stess on mobo maybe abit more on ram but my gskills can handle it,400x9 you ram just cant keep up,so your stressing your cpu plus more heat,imo
400x9 and my RAM just can't keep up?? Do you not realize by now that my RAM is 800MHz?.....

And I agree that I should keep my RAM as close to 800 as possible (in most cases). And I can do this by running a 400FSB. I can see a little overclock on the RAM though (I've heard the G.Skill HZ's can do 1000MHz, haven't tried it myself).

And temps are a whole separate issue. I do realize it's tied into this, but if my temps are staying cool then it shouldn't impede my overclock. My CPU load temp hasn't even cracked 47C yet. So I'm set there for now - not a problem.

If I can run stable at a high overclock - whether it's FSB, RAM, or CPU speed, then I'm going to do it. That's the whole point of overclocking in the first place.
    
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it mostly about the heat,i only raised my v-c one notch,800x8 i could go higher,but dont need to,and i couldnt go right to 3.2 with a x9 without upping my v-c to 1.40=heat
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it mostly about the heat,i only raised my v-c one notch,800x8 i could go higher,but dont need to,and i couldnt go right to 3.2 with a x9 without upping my v-c to 1.40=heat
And I agree, each case will be different. I haven't had much of a problem with heat, probably because I have 3 x 93CFM fans, 1 x 110CFM fan, and 1 x 220CFM fans which sound like a freakin' jet engine (lol). My V-Cores at 1.35V (in the BIOS) and I'm stable at 3.2GHz (400x8), with a load of 46C. To tell you the truth, this actually surprised me (quite a bit), because I have a fairly newer batch e6600 and thought it was going to be tough to overclock without upping the V-Core like crazy and running hotter than the Sahara even with crazy fans like this. Hopefully I can bring it up to 400x9, RAM at 800MHz, and 3.6GHz CPU...
    
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post #28 of 46
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400x9 and my RAM just can't keep up?? Do you not realize by now that my RAM is 800MHz?.....

And I agree that I should keep my RAM as close to 800 as possible (in most cases). And I can do this by running a 400FSB. I can see a little overclock on the RAM though (I've heard the G.Skill HZ's can do 1000MHz, haven't tried it myself).

And temps are a whole separate issue. I do realize it's tied into this, but if my temps are staying cool then it shouldn't impede my overclock. My CPU load temp hasn't even cracked 47C yet. So I'm set there for now - not a problem.

If I can run stable at a high overclock - whether it's FSB, RAM, or CPU speed, then I'm going to do it. That's the whole point of overclocking in the first place.
You have a valid argument but your missing a huge point. People have proven (specifically the one who wrote the sticky above) that the sync mode does not give you as good of results as the higher RAM to FSB ratio does!

Therefore, what I am saying, is memory wise, you can easily up your performance by simply raising your multiplier, lowering your FSB, and increasing RAM:FSB ratio. The question then becomes, what is better for performance. A higher FSB with a lower RAM:FSB ratio, or a lower FSB with a higher FSB:RAM ratio, considering the CPU speed is kept constant, and if you maxed out your RAM already, the timings will be a constant as well.
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post #29 of 46
at 800 i hardly think you maxed out your ram,if its good ram 900-1000 isnt far fetched with gskills,that would be pushing it but how high would your fsb be at x8
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post #30 of 46
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Originally Posted by blacklight115 View Post
You have a valid argument but your missing a huge point. People have proven (specifically the one who wrote the sticky above) that the sync mode does not give you as good of results as the higher RAM to FSB ratio does!

Therefore, what I am saying, is memory wise, you can easily up your performance by simply raising your multiplier, lowering your FSB, and increasing RAM:FSB ratio.
I understand exactly what you are saying but I simply don't agree. I've read your original post, and there are some great points... but I simply don't believe for one second that pointlessly lowering my FSB, when I am running completely stable, and setting an out of sync FSB:RAM ratio to get my memory to run at it's rated speed will somehow increase my performance - it makes no sense when my temps are perfectly fine. In some cases, yes. In mine, I won't believe it until I see actual specs run on a system just like mine with the exact numbers in my case to prove it.

When I get around to it, I'll tell you what I'll do. I'll make four 3DMark06 runs with my system at each case:

400x8 FSB, 3200 MHz, with RAM in "Sync Mode". (this is my current setup in BIOS).
356x9 FSB, 3204 MHz, with RAM set at 800MHz.

I'll report back. I really don't have time right now... I have to run some errands, and I've been busy lately with work (and the woman)... but I promise I will do this in the near future.

How does that sound?
    
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