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post #11 of 85
Excellent, absolutely excellent on the testing... Now I feel kinda bad that I pushed this on you last minute... When you said you would do it later, I thought much later! Enjoy your stay in florida!

EDIT: deleted for purposes...
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Soo, using the transitive postulate, lower multiplier=less vcore, less vcore=less heat, lower multi=less heat
it also means more stress on your northbridge. as far as the rest of your post, i'm just going to pretend i didn't read it. i really don't know what else to do with it. instead of responding to you directly, i'll just link you to the other thread. you can read it if you want.

here you go, Blacklight. feel free to read the whole thing, seeing as you're so hungry for knowledge.

http://www.overclock.net/intel-memor...why-1-1-a.html

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The faster memory speed is better.
the statement that started it all.
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Wow, I humbly apologize for what I restarted. I did not know this topic stirred so many..... emotions.

Now, as to the thread you listed, I read the whole thing. I understand what pauldovi is saying, and I see that he is right.

However, this thread, or more specifically the one I started focuses on a different topic. In the words of paul himself, here is what I want to know:

Quote:
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I agree. But it has nothing to do with the memory ratio. The former has a FSB of 1600Mhz while the latter only has a FSB of 1066Mhz.
All I want to know is which one out weighs the other. A highest FSB I can attain with lower multiplier and a 1:1 RAM ratio (only that because that is what mine can do) or a lower FSB and higher multiplier with a different RAM ratio. (I guess this is beginning to get specific with my system...) (read my other thread about this if you want)


But then I read this and got muy confused:


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ihatethedukes View Post
7

6*500=3000 @ 1:1 DDR1000
8.06MB/s/MHz * 1000MHz = 8060MB/s

9*333=3000 @ 3:2 DDR999
6.29MB/s/MHz * 999 = 6284MB/s

You should get near those numbers if what you're saying is true. Or, at least, in a 1.28/1 ratio to one another. If it's GREATER than 1.28/1 better at 1:1 then you can blame it on the extra FSB and your theory MIGHT be/is likely true. If it is equal to 1.28/1 better on the 1:1 then you're likely right. If it is less then 1.28/1 better then you're 100% wrong as the extra FSB only serves to HELP the 1:1 look faster than the other and still falls short.

The ONLY way for you to REALLY test your idea is on an unlinked 680i chipset, and even then, that does away the very divider you're trying to test... which really means that there is NO WAY to test your hypothesis.
Now, this was solely my guess, but when I saw unlinked and put my RAM up to the max (800) it still did not run at 800. Therefore, I assumed (I know makes an *** out of u an me, lol) that it still ran a divider, just a more specific one.

However, take note that I assumed this, therefore I'd say it has a .001percent chance of being correct and a 99.999percent of being incorrect. If it is incorrect, then the above statement is right, and there may be no way to test my question.

PS- I am going to delete the entire post above, just to make sure no one gets overly angry again...

Again, sorry for coming across harsh, I was in the middle of cleaning my house for a showing, and I was frustrated by that too, but as I said, I am going to delete it! I don't want to be ****y and mean to any1, just want the best oc, u know?

lol.

Also, mr. bundle I dont understand this(NO sarcasm intended)
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it also means more stress on your northbridge.
Could you explain why that is, I believe you I just like to know why, ya know?
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post #14 of 85
system bus = default multi / set multi x FSB. here is a link:

http://www.thetechrepository.com/showthread.php?p=118

basically, lowering you multiplier raises the system bus, putting more stress on your motherboard and less on your CPU.

to answer your other question, generally the FSB is the workhorse of any PC. generally, a higher FSB means faster overall system performance and is more important than total clock speed of your CPU. every system is different though, and everybody does different things with their computers. some tasks, like video compiling, benefit greatly from higher CPU clocks.
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SuperPI is not a test of overall system performance.
Nobody said it was. The whole point of my asking him to run SuperPi was to test the calculation ability of the processor when overclocked to the same frequency by two different means (Higher FSB / Lower Multiplier vs. Lower FSB / Higher Multiplier)

That said, I agree with you. I am a believer in using several benchmarks as well as thorough stability testing to determine a systems overclockability.
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post #16 of 85
Wow, there is so many different things I could do then. I don't know what to do! wahahwahahwahawhawhawhwahwah!

OH, I got another question. What is the HT multiplier on my board? Theres a pic of it here:http://www.overclock.net/attachments...g?d=1183749022

Also in that picture, should those spread spectrum's be disabled?

And do I want a higher FSB than CPU speed (not literally of course) for gaming?

And another question, How many test does memtest86 need to pass when overclocking RAM?
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The FSB was lower on the second test. (1600Mhz vs 1424Mhz), why wouldn't you expect it to be faster?

You have the same argument, just in a new thread. Do I need to pull over the material to prove you wrong again?

Effectively what you are arguing is if everything else was the same (FSB, Multiplier, Memory speed) then the 1:1 would be faster than all other "dividers." You cannot have FSB, Multiplier, and the memory speed the same with different dividers. So your argument is quite mute. It doesn't make any sense. No one is going to lower their FSB in order to obtain a memory "divider" (like you did in this test). What people do use "dividers" for is utilizing any extra headroom their memory has that their CPU cannot keep up with.

I again face you with the exact same scenario (which you failed to answer in the last thread):

I have my E6850 (333Mhz x 9), P35 motherboard, and my very nice DDR3-1600 Ballistixs. I am going to overclock this beast.

I decide to initially set the memory to 1:1 with the FSB. This will allow me to find the limit of my CPU. So I do this, and I find my CPU will not go past 400Mhz. I drop the multiplier and I find that I get to 500Mhz FSB with a 8 multiplier now.

So I have my machine at 500 x 8 (4.0Ghz) and my memory in 1:1 at DDR3-1000. Well I have this very expensive DDR3-1600 Ballistixs that can easily do 2000Mhz

So I crank it up! I still have my CPU at 500 x 8, but now my memory is at 1000Mhz (DDR3-2000) and it is in a 2:1 ratio with my FSB.

Which one will be faster?
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What is the HT multiplier on my board? Theres a pic of it here:http://www.overclock.net/attachments...g?d=1183749022

Also in that picture, should those spread spectrum's be disabled?
i'd be lying if i told you i understood what the HT multiplier is all about. everybody seems to leave it at 5x though, so you should be fine. and yes, leave spread spectrum disabled.

Paul, i hate you. we all hate you. gimme some money.
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The FSB was lower on the second test. (1600Mhz vs 1424Mhz), why wouldn't you expect it to be faster?

You have the same argument, just in a new thread. Do I need to pull over the material to prove you wrong again?

Effectively what you are arguing is if everything else was the same (FSB, Multiplier, Memory speed) then the 1:1 would be faster than all other "dividers." You cannot have FSB, Multiplier, and the memory speed the same with different dividers. So your argument is quite mute. It doesn't make any sense. No one is going to lower their FSB in order to obtain a memory "divider" (like you did in this test). What people do use "dividers" for is utilizing any extra headroom their memory has that their CPU cannot keep up with.

I again face you with the exact same scenario (which you failed to answer in the last thread):

I have my E6850 (333Mhz x 9), P35 motherboard, and my very nice DDR3-1600 Ballistixs. I am going to overclock this beast.

I decide to initially set the memory to 1:1 with the FSB. This will allow me to find the limit of my CPU. So I do this, and I find my CPU will not go past 400Mhz. I drop the multiplier and I find that I get to 500Mhz FSB with a 8 multiplier now.

So I have my machine at 500 x 8 (4.0Ghz) and my memory in 1:1 at DDR3-1000. Well I have this very expensive DDR3-1600 Ballistixs that can easily do 2000Mhz

So I crank it up! I still have my CPU at 500 x 8, but now my memory is at 1000Mhz (DDR3-2000) and it is in a 2:1 ratio with my FSB.

Which one will be faster?
Dude, dude. Don't get mad at him, get mad at me. Its my fault. But I was trying to test something other than what you said, simply cause I don't know. Yes, what you said in the other forum and what you are saying now is completely true. You are most definitely right.

I was trying to see which one has more of a weight performance. You guys aren't understanding what I am trying to figure out here! lol. Its not what the debate was about in the other thread.


lol, why do we all hate paul?
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Wow, there is so many different things I could do then. I don't know what to do! wahahwahahwahawhawhawhwahwah!
haha, that's where this becomes a hobby. it will give you something to do when you're not cleaning your house mess around with different configurations and see what works best for you. your processor's x10 multiplier means it is a very different beast from my processor's x7 multi. i actually chose an E6320 partly because of its low multi. i will probably always have a higher FSB and you will find it easier to get a higher CPU clock. each setup will have its own strengths and weaknesses.
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