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I have run some test. I don't have any data on it though as I have not saved it. As I have also said I will do some more and post results when I am able to get home.
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I have run some test. I don't have any data on it though as I have not saved it. As I have also said I will do some more and post results when I am able to get home.
And please create your own thread with the results. If you want to make a link here, fine. But in all fairness I created this thread as a log in a sense. Not that I don't appreciate comments in general - I appreciate them quite a bit actually. This is a forum and people are allowed to respond, obviously. Heck, Pauldovi (whom I strongly disagree with) even made a few posts - but knew where to draw the line. When comments stop becoming positive and start becoming repetitive and condescending is the point where they aren't appreciated. You've repeated yourself over and over - just to attempt to get in the last word in order to invalidate my data. I promise not to imitate this or flame you in your thread. Thanks.
    
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understandable about the new thread and I have no problem. I'm sorry about my comments if they seem like they are just an attempt to put you down. I have nothing against you and if anything as I said you tried to give us information and even if I don't agree with it (can we ever really get everyone to agree though ) I still give you credit for doing something. I just have problems presenting myself and my arguements at times. As said though it's nothing against you personally, please don't take it at such.
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3DMark06 is a good determinant of how well your system will perform overall.
come on now. you know that 3DMark is primarily a video card test with a small section on CPU processing. you might as well run the Windows Networking Wizard and call that a memory benchmark
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come on now. you know that 3DMark is primarily a video card test with a small section on CPU processing. you might as well run the Windows Networking Wizard and call that a memory benchmark
Heh, fine. Let me rephrase. 3Dmark is generally a good determinant of how your system will perform in games.

And isn't that what we built are rigs for?
    
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well some built only for gaming. it still stands though that 3dmark isn't a gaming benchmark, it is a graphic benchmark. there is a difference.

I ran some benchmarks and have some more to go but I ended up sleeping a little today and it's time to go to bed so won't be able to finish till tomorrow

I will post results though to the 3dmark as it is related to this thread, as well as results from another program to back up the claim that 3dmark is more gpu biased rather then g aming or even total system biased.
I ran 3dmark setup 1 was 350*6 for 2100mhz the other one at 233*9 for 2097mhz. both are setup as 1:1 ratio for memory. if this tested full system then the second system with both a memory handicap as well as a fsb handicap then there should be a decent difference. The thing you quoted also was talking about performance shouldn't drop if you adjust your timings for the change in speed. I didn't for this one. the timings are set at 4-4-4-12 for either and that should put the slower ram at even more of a handicap.
test results though show 6188 for system and 6167 for system 2. that I would say is within margin of error as it is less then a 1% difference. now when testing on a different benchmark program aquamark it showed a difference of 92440 vs 88464 which is closer to a 4% difference and that was consistent. now granted either of these i would say are bad canidates to test memory performance as they are more for GPU testing. but even here you can see that 3dmark is even more gpu performance orientated rather then memory.
This is along the lines of why I said testing on multiple benchmarks would be better.

so this does show a little at least as to your comment about memory not being king or very important or how the divider can change things it does show that those comments might not be so accurate as both runs are 1:1 divider and other programs seem to show more of a change dependent upon bandwidth.

so you can say again that I'm just trying to say your wrong and I'm not looking at the data and that I'm just hurting myself by this. but maybe now you can see WHY i said the things I did. You can't just look at one program and then make a very broad assumption on that. that is what you did.


just like another assumption you made for proof that synced was better when comparing bandwidth per clock. you presented that as proof and yet I have ran the same thing with 1:1 ratio's as well. just changed the fsb as I listed above. the lower fsb achieved a higher bandwidth per clock. this would go to invalidate your argument there as only thing that changed was fsb/memory speed NOT the divider.

I have more comming and the rest I will save for a new thread refering to both this one and the one by pauldovi. I have some screenshots as well already which if you want those refering to what I have posted I can easily add those as well if you would prefer.

but a few things I hope you get out of this. don't post information if you can't take negative feedback on it. Also if you are going to post "proof" make sure your arguement is proof for what your arguing for rather then the cause of something else, and don't take one specific situation and apply it to a broad statement. As I said it's nothing against you personally but honestly take a step back and look at the comments you recieved on both of the previous post regarding this. I'm not the only one who shared this thought. I'm just one of the more vocal ones.
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You can't just look at one program and then make a very broad assumption on that. that is what you did.
No, I didn't. According to Webster's dictionary, to assume means to take as granted or true. I never once drew any specific conclusions or made any claims that I deemed as absolute truth in this thread. This is where you are off. You seem to think this, and portray it in every single post you make.... and while I may be suggesting certain things may be true based on supporting evidence, you still repeatedly accuse me of such. It's getting old.

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Also if you are going to post "proof" make sure your arguement is proof for what your arguing for rather then the cause of something else, and don't take one specific situation and apply it to a broad statement.
Once again, I never once said I have "proved" anything. Please don't think as such and please don't imply it.

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don't post information if you can't take negative feedback on it.
It's not that I can't take negative feedback. I took plenty the first couple pages and all I basically said was "thanks for the feedback" and said outright that people should run their computers in whatever way deems them the best performance. If you don't believe me, check out post #32 in this thread. Mr. Bungle, whom I also disagree with, even apologized for "hijacking my thread" (post #26), when I didn't even care - because he was being respectable about it. The only person I became irritated with was you, because every single retort you make is basically the same - in attempt to "get in the last word" on why my data is invalid or wrong for some reason. You are unique in this behavior here, and it's trolling and borderline flaming.

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honestly take a step back and look at the comments you recieved on both of the previous post regarding this. I'm not the only one who shared this thought. I'm just one of the more vocal ones.
Popular opinion does not make something right.

And the thing is, you repeatedly make claims without any supporting evidence of your own. I understand why you think I'm wrong, you don't have to repeat it. You've said it half a dozen times already, and I know where you by stand now... I did many posts ago. How couldn't I? I've said it before, but the the difference is, I'm not continually trying to drill my viewpoint into your head in the manner you are doing. I'm just presenting some data.

It's to the point now that I'm not even posting arguments about the data presented. You keep pressing the same point basically because I won't admit "I'm wrong". Just because I don't agree with you that I'm wrong doesn't give you the right to keep posting it over and over again. Stop harassing me about the same thing.

Your last post was the first one with any data at all, and to tell you the truth It was a little hard to decipher. Go ahead and post some screen shots if you'd like but please organize them.

Don't continue to say that I'm "assuming" or portraying anything as an absolute truth, I'm not. You keep making me repeat myself on this, because you keep repeating the same thing yourself. The redundancy is overwhelming.

So if you are just going to repeat the same remarks again, don't post here. I'm asking you nicely. Stop. The repetitive nature is insulting, rude, and unwarranted. And I ask you kindly, please don't destroy the good nature of this thread, for the sake of the whole community. Thanks.
    
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Please, rx7speed, he is never going to agree with you or any one else who has taken a stance in this (or any previous) thread. It is not worth it...
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I'm more or less finished on this thread. we seem to have worked out the problems through pm's and I have a another thread comming up with a few more benchies hopefully to help out a little more with the debate. so it's all good paul
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I'll throw in my 2 cents and say I'm with Choggs here... He's provided some food for thought on possible changes to an existing hardware setup to potentially gain additional performance. At the end of the day, that's what brought everyone to this website in the first place.

Nowhere did I see Choggs claim any of his findings to be concrete proof of one scenario being superior to the other, nor did I see him disregard potential shortcomings in his testing methods. His findings do have some merit, and his methods were pretty well thought out, especially considering that the testing was rushed. He's provided raw data from his testing for comparative info for others who might have an interest in carrying out similar tests.

I'll also give Choggs a lot of credit for keeping a cool head, and trying to keep the thread on topic, rather than make it a big pissing match.
    
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