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post #61 of 85
i respect the hell out of you. read post #55.

i have Adobe Premiere Pro on my machine. if you're interested in my results, i can compile 5 minutes of uncompressed Fraps video into a compressed .WMV or something and time it with a 1:1 and a 1:2. i'm just worried that i'll take the time to do the experiment and you'll write it off because video compiling has nothing to do with gaming or something like that. i mention Premiere Pro because video compiling is one of the most CPU-intensive things you can do, and it should really show whether a divider does anything or not. if my compilation time with a 1:2 is the same as my 1:1, i'll do your dishes for a month and change my sig to say "Choggs was right." deal?
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^ heh, thanks.

If you really want to, go ahead and do it. It may provide helpful evidence for your argument. As you seem keen on pointing out though - it wont necessarily prove your theory (or mine for that matter). I feel you will be guilty of exactly what you've been accusing me of - the inability prove it due to some variable(s).... BUT, even though this is true, I'd still like to see the tests for us to examination - and I'd try not to completely dismiss the results, like it seems for the most part you've done with mine.

EDIT: And if you're going to run tests with the properties you stated in Post #59, there may be an issue, for reasons stated in the subsequent post. I would try to get numbers closer together to avoid an obvious secondary factor (vast change in RAM speed) that makes it impossible narrow down the divider issue. This would just be repeating the same thing (but in a different method) that people have criticized my test of doing (with the FSB speed). You probably think I'm being hypocritical when I say all this, but in reality it's exactly the opposite: you wouldn't want to repeat a mistake like you think I am making, because it defeats the whole purpose of proving my tests are flawed.
    
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Sry, double post, read below...=)
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well that's kind of harsh. honestly, i'm not going to bother looking up the links again. i ran PCMark05 and the Everest memory benchmark myself and my bandwidth was higher using a divider. it's that simple. (i also posted screenshots of my results in the last thread.) so don't act like proof will change your mind about this. nothing will.

you continue running these slanted tests where you're changing your FSB and multi between runs and calling it fair and balanced, but i'm not buying what you're selling. the way to test your theory is simple:

test 1 - FSB @ 200, default multi, memory @ DDR 400. run benchmarks.

test 2 - FSB @ 200, default multi, memory @ DDR 800 (timings the same). run same benchmarks.

compare your results and you will see that your system is faster with a divider. you continue to do everything you can to dodge the real issue. you're changing the multi and FSB between tests, changing your memory timings, you're running 3DMark to test your memory... this has become ridiculous. you just can't admit that you're wrong. the only reason i'll post in this thread is so nubs know that your theory is not accepted by others.

Hey All, Ive missed alot of debate I see... I had to get away from my pc for a while, it was frustrating me.... not this issue, but my pc itself...

Anyways, I will take some credit for this post. In the beginning me and choggs were talking about it, and the way I understood it was that it was exactly not the test you proposed.

I have to say, we all should know that of course the higher memory is better.

However, I have said this many times before... THAT is NOT what [originally] me and choggs were testing!!!!!

What I wanted to test and what I understood choogs was originally testing was... WHICH is better:

I say that my system, being set at this:
e6600 - 400FSB X 8 Multi = 3200MHz, memory running at 1:1 FSB:RAM (800MHz)

is faster than:
e6600 - 356FSB X 9 Multi = 3204MHz, memory running at 8:9 FSB:RAM (800MHz)

Blacklight115 and I had a very interesting discussion about all this at this thread that he started.

Well I decided to test this theory out using 3DMark06.

I set up my system using all the same settings as follows, except for the ones you see above:

RAM timings 4-4-4-12 1T

VCore @ 1.35V BIOS. Stable overclock using OCCT 2 Hours.

8800GTX @ stock speeds for all tests (575MHz Core / 1800MHz Mem)

Ambient Temps of about 18-19C

CPU Idle Temps ~29C


EXACTLY WHAT CHOGGS TESTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


This is what choggs wanted to test! Not simply a higher memory timing. Please Please stop pestering the poor man, because as of right now his tests prove true!

-Now many of you say "Duh, a higher fsb is always better" but is it?

Gentlemen, the true question is:

(referring to the abovementioned case) "Does a that lower fsb (higher multi) and higher memory ratio do more than the higher fsb and lower multi and 1:1 or just plain lower ratio, performance wise?

Yes it is hard to test! I know! but choggs has my vote right now.... all others don't seem to be on the same page...

It's either that or I'm totally screwed up and I need to start a new thread! On the firrst post read mine and choggs discussion to find out!
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post #65 of 85
in that situation above I would say the higher FSB speed wins in applications that use a lot of memory bandwidth as the bus is going to be the limiting factor there. so in that choggs is right I would say .

otherwise though.....

and I'm going to be fairly delayed in finishing up my benchmarks as well. I know I said I would but not only is my ram still going through the rma leaving me with that one centon stick but my friggen video card kicked the bucket as well. that leaves me with my backup 9250 which will ruin some of the test I already have as it can not compare to a 1950xt, and also is not capable of running any newer video benchmarks
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the original argument had nothing to do with FSB and multipliers. the original argument was that anything above a 1:1 does not offer any performance inrease. the only way to test it is the way i said in post #59. and we all know that the divider does allow the processor to run faster.
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the original argument had nothing to do with FSB and multipliers. the original argument was that anything above a 1:1 does not offer any performance inrease. the only way to test it is the way i said in post #59. and we all know that the divider does allow the processor to run faster.
Actually thats not true. The original reason he did these tests was to prove that argument, I should know, he did it to prove me wrong, which he did in the tests!

Please read his first post and click on the link!
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this has been going on since before you got in on it. the original statement that started this all was something to the effect of running dividers can help your processor run faster. then Choggs took it and ran with it. he's been changing his argument since then, but he is still basically saying the same thing. he's had that thing in his sig about being right ever since.

but this whole thing is silly and i've grown tired of it. nobody ever recommended we spend a fortune on our RAM to get something that will run at twice our FSB. all they said was that if your memory can run faster than your FSB, it is possible to get more performance by doing it. i honestly don't know why Choggs has made such a big deal out of it.
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agreed mr bungle
lets put this simple ok

higher cpu is good
higher fsb is good
higher memory speed is good
you want to get the highest of each of them. if you have to use some divider or multiplier to get it then fine. the goal again? get the highest of each.
you want more FSB speed but cpu can't handle. drop the multiplier.
want more ram speed but FSB can't handle it. use a divider.

in all honesty as long as you are not dealing with straps (A whole different issue and is motherboard dependent) it is that simple.
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agreed mr bungle
lets put this simple ok

higher cpu is good
higher fsb is good
higher memory speed is good
you want to get the highest of each of them. if you have to use some divider or multiplier to get it then fine. the goal again? get the highest of each.
you want more FSB speed but cpu can't handle. drop the multiplier.
want more ram speed but FSB can't handle it. use a divider.

in all honesty as long as you are not dealing with straps (A whole different issue and is motherboard dependent) it is that simple.
Yep your right...and frankly I don't see the reason to debate anymore as well, just because of the fact that there are so many variables.... If we all had all the time in the world, heck, I'd even run the tests!
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