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ok, here's the deal. i would consider myself to be a hardcore gamer wannabe thus this means i want to play the future games at DX10 NOT DX9.

i am aware DX10 games are not far away from us right now. i heard that DX10 can ONLY be run in Vista. this is totally crazy and if thats true then ill have to get it. its also crazy because i recently got a 8800GTS640MB thinking that this was all that was needed to run the future DX10 games like Crysis, Call of Duty 4 bla bla.

If vista is the only way to run DX10 well i guess there is one thing now left to stop me from getting it. bascially, i have this idea that as Vista has issues as it has been released early. aswell i been seeing on many occassions people saying, ''oh my vista is causing me problems with this and that''.

so can you please let me about the deal please?

thank you and will be hearing from you shortly.
post #2 of 22
Yup, your right....... DX10 is only compatible with Windows Vista. However, i have heard that developers are trying to make it compatible in XP (correct me if im wrong).

But Vista isn't all that bad, just give it a try. Some people like it, others don't.
post #3 of 22
Just get vista.

DX10 can be done in XP but since DX10 is actually BUILT into the OS you cannot have real hardware accelerated DX10 with XP. You can only have software emulated DX10, and well, 30fps with a 8800GTX on a game with vista, would mean about 4fps with less then stellar graphics on XP.
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Originally Posted by Drzprince973 View Post
Yup, your right....... DX10 is only compatible with Windows Vista. However, i have heard that developers are trying to make it compatible in XP (correct me if im wrong).

But Vista isn't all that bad, just give it a try. Some people like it, others don't.
Correct you are. The Alky Project aims to make DX10 usable on XP.

http://alkyproject.blogspot.com/
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Yes you need Vista for DX10 and NO, vista is not bad at all. Virtually all the kinks have been worked out...it's a fun OS. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
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Dont hear other talkin about their problems... Get vista and try it for yourself!
Vista is supposed to be the future..!! We need to go up a new step!
I know, vista is a new OS... and Microsoft is making SP1... so you can wait a little more until SP1 is released and the OS have mature drivers...
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If you want to be able to use DirectX 10 you have no choice but to upgrade to Vista. I've been useing Vista x64 Business since two weeks before its 30/01/2007 release and driver support was quite appalling back then, especially from Nvidia and Creative. However, over the past few months development has been very good and nowadays applications perform pretty much on par as to what they do in XP. When it comes to DirectX 10, which is supposed to improve performance in games, there is still a little left to be desired, though this is down to the fact that manufacturers are still getting used to the new code style. DirectX 10 performance will improve over time once more capable games are released over the coming months which will give the developers running applications to base their changes on.

In my opinion you may aswell make the switch to Vista and when you do try to go for the x64 version as opposed to the x86. You may aswell take the oppurtunity to make the jump to 64-bit at the same time. Most mainstream hardware has Vista x64 drivers available, though some older printers, scanners and webcams, etc, may not. Most of the people who complain of problems in Vista are either useing old hardware that cannot cope with the new operateing system or are simply too stupid to research simple solutions to their problems via Google. For example, when I first got Vista there were no Wireless drivers available for my NIC but all this took was a quick Google search for "Vista x64 wireless" which brought up RaLink's homepage where the drivers I needed were stored. Its little things like that that the nubs fail on, or sometimes they'll have issues with User Account Control but will be too stupid to think that they could simply look in Windows built in Help and Support feature to find out how to turn it off. What you're doing right now, asking about it before you buy, is also very simple to do. Its a shame more people out there don't try to get answers to their questions instead of giving up on a product they have yet to try.

Sorry if the above seems a little pessimistic but I'm really tired of seeing so much misinformation going around about Vista based on rumours spread by misinformed people. To be fair, I'm sure that one of the reasons I haven't noticed any real performance decrease is because my current system is of a reasonable spec, though at the end of the day if your running an old system and try to use Vista on it of course you're going to be more likely to notice a performance drop.
post #8 of 22
No, vista is not needed. It will become the defacto standard anyway, but it is not needed. If continuing to get along with Microsoft matters to you, then you're stuck. Lord only knows how long MS will continue to allow the independent port of DX10 to XP, but they probably will stop it. For the next year or two most games will ship with DX9 support. Unless the developers begin using open source API's for their games, then we all will continue to be dependent on MS.

As for Vista itself, it's just another version of Windows. It has some bugs, it's pretty, the security implementation is annoying and likely inadequate. And everything is or will be developed for it.
post #9 of 22
vista is needed as a stepping stone... it's not the final OS... but it's the first major release that will ensure that future hardware conforms to certain specifications... namely 64-bit... and multi-threaded...

unfortunately lUsers want a flashy interface... well fortunately this will drive graphics systems forward, and reduce costs of hardware... if you are silly enough to be an early adopter you deserve the problems you come across...

i'll wait for 2008 server to come out before i worry about upgrading... just like i did for 2003 server... and 2000 server... and NT Server...
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Originally Posted by LiNERROR View Post
vista is needed as a stepping stone... it's not the final OS... but it's the first major release that will ensure that future hardware conforms to certain specifications... namely 64-bit... and multi-threaded...

i'll wait for 2008 server to come out before i worry about upgrading...
You should get the latest beta for Server 2008, its amazing! Faster than Vista by a mile!
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