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Mike can you please change your avatar.
I just watched Dead Silence and it looks like the "perfect puppet" (trying not to ruin the movie for people, ps, for that movie)
    
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Mike can you please change your avatar.
I just watched Dead Silence and it looks like the "perfect puppet" (trying not to ruin the movie for people, ps, for that movie)
lol

I'm in the market for a new one. I like to keep things fresh. I'm thinking of giving the Kaboom guy a whirl.
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So if people don't know any better why would they pick HD-DVD? Is it just because HD-DVD players are cheaper atm?? HD-DVD movies cost the same as blu-ray. And the lowest price HD-DVD player is actually borderline garbage. So if anyone with money was going to get an HD-DVD player, odds are theyre not going to jump on the cheapest Toshiba they can find.
I think they would. Audio-videophiles who know what they are doing and have money to spend wouldn't, of course not. But Average Joe Wal-Mart Dad in the market for a new DVD player might see an HD-DVD player for only a little bit more and might decide to take the plunge. Even a"garbage" HD-DVD player is pretty good to Average Joe here...remember, he probably bought Crappy No-Name Brand HDTV from Wal-Mart too. All that fancy schmancy HDMI 1.3 technobabble means next to nothing to him.

I truly believe that the one and only reason that HD-DVD is not trampling Blu-Ray is because of the PS3. HD-DVD has name recognition built in plus cheaper players, which should have been a recipe for success. But because of the PS3, Sony created a built-in base market for Blu-Ray. Their strategy appears to have worked in this regard.

Of course, I still begrudge the pre-competition exclusivity deals that were brokered with the movie studios...that has as much to do with Blu-Rays current dominance as the PS3 does. If every movie were available in both formats, I think you would see more HD-DVD players moving.
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I think they would. Audio-videophiles who know what they are doing and have money to spend wouldn't, of course not. But Average Joe Wal-Mart Dad in the market for a new DVD player might see an HD-DVD player for only a little bit more and might decide to take the plunge. Even a"garbage" HD-DVD player is pretty good to Average Joe here...remember, he probably bought Crappy No-Name Brand HDTV from Wal-Mart too. All that fancy schmancy HDMI 1.3 technobabble means next to nothing to him.

I truly believe that the one and only reason that HD-DVD is not trampling Blu-Ray is because of the PS3. HD-DVD has name recognition built in plus cheaper players, which should have been a recipe for success. But because of the PS3, Sony created a built-in base market for Blu-Ray. Their strategy appears to have worked in this regard.

Of course, I still begrudge the pre-competition exclusivity deals that were brokered with the movie studios...that has as much to do with Blu-Rays current dominance as the PS3 does. If every movie were available in both formats, I think you would see more HD-DVD players moving.
I agree with vulcan completly.

The majority of people I know hook up their $30 dvd player to their TV with RCA cables. IF that. I've seen people use co-ax for dvd players. My own dad being one of them. I fixed that sitation when I found out that he has an HDTV and was using the worst possible hook-up there is. But anyways people hate dealing with new technology and learning how to use it. They also don't like spending a lot of money for things they don't know how to use.

Lower price should have driven HDDVD straight to the top, and was the only counter they had to the looming PS3 blu-ray pack in. Walmart is a testament to the power of lower price dominance over quality goods.

As for the movie studio exclusivity that's sony studios swinging their weight around and lining pockets. Which I think is a load of BS. It's like a presidential candidate that pays to make it so most of the ballots only have his name on it. I find it strange how many people are OK with this.
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I think they would. Audio-videophiles who know what they are doing and have money to spend wouldn't, of course not. But Average Joe Wal-Mart Dad in the market for a new DVD player might see an HD-DVD player for only a little bit more and might decide to take the plunge. Even a"garbage" HD-DVD player is pretty good to Average Joe here...remember, he probably bought Crappy No-Name Brand HDTV from Wal-Mart too. All that fancy schmancy HDMI 1.3 technobabble means next to nothing to him.

I truly believe that the one and only reason that HD-DVD is not trampling Blu-Ray is because of the PS3. HD-DVD has name recognition built in plus cheaper players, which should have been a recipe for success. But because of the PS3, Sony created a built-in base market for Blu-Ray. Their strategy appears to have worked in this regard.

Of course, I still begrudge the pre-competition exclusivity deals that were brokered with the movie studios...that has as much to do with Blu-Rays current dominance as the PS3 does. If every movie were available in both formats, I think you would see more HD-DVD players moving.

I must be missing something VERY fundamental about this whole HD-DVD vs BluRay thing...enlighten me Vulcan. Here is what I don't get: It was my understanding that HD-DVD was at the MAX of it's storage capacity whereas BluRay was at the very beginning of it's total possible capacity. So, from a purely...LOGICAL...perspective...would you invest in a maxed out storage medium or the up and coming massive storage medium?

As an analogy: Would you invest in NON-perpindicular HDD's..or perpindicular HDD's?

Here's the thing, HD-DVD has the superior disk logic. It has superior menus and interactivity. It really is superior in many aspects except for storage capacity. I'll give the HD-DVD camp that, but it's old school. When we go above 1080P in resolution in the next 5 years, HD-DVD's storage capacity will be unable to keep up.

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I must be missing something VERY fundamental about this whole HD-DVD vs BluRay thing...enlighten me Vulcan. Here is what I don't get: It was my understanding that HD-DVD was at the MAX of it's storage capacity whereas BluRay was at the very beginning of it's total possible capacity. So, from a purely...LOGICAL...perspective...would you invest in a maxed out storage medium or the up and coming massive storage medium?

As an analogy: Would you invest in NON-perpindicular HDD's..or perpindicular HDD's?

Here's the thing, HD-DVD has the superior disk logic. It has superior menus and interactivity. It really is superior in many aspects except for storage capacity. I'll give the HD-DVD camp that, but it's old school. When we go above 1080P in resolution in the next 5 years, HD-DVD's storage capacity will be unable to keep up.

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Toshiba just produced a HD-DVD which can hold 45gb and the capacity will continue to expand as Blu-Rays will.
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I must be missing something VERY fundamental about this whole HD-DVD vs BluRay thing...enlighten me Vulcan. Here is what I don't get: It was my understanding that HD-DVD was at the MAX of it's storage capacity whereas BluRay was at the very beginning of it's total possible capacity. So, from a purely...LOGICAL...perspective...would you invest in a maxed out storage medium or the up and coming massive storage medium?
Where did you get that impression? Multilayer HD-DVDs exist and, and designs with more layers are being researched and implemented...just like Blu Ray. According to Wikipedia (which I hate to use as a souce, but it's just so darn easy!), two new HD-DVD enhancements were demonstrated at CES this year:

1. Triple layer HD-DVDs are with 17GB per layer instead of the traditional 15GB, providing a 51GB total
2. Behind closed doors, a 10-layer HD-DVD. Yes, that's right, 10 layers, totaling 150GB.

Sure, Blu Ray can do and was demonstrated with 10 layers too, and that gets you to a whopping 250 GB. But...so what? No HD movie is going to need more than150GB, period. We'll be in a whole new video format before that kind of storage is necessary...3D holograms, or something.

And before anyone starts, don't bring up issues like storage capacity for PCs, or whatever. HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray is a movie format debate, through and through. PC storage are already much more diverse and changes much more rapidly, so it's a non-starter conversation point with me.

Anyway, the point is that HD-DVD capacity is not maxed out.

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Toshiba just produced a HD-DVD which can hold 45gb and the capacity will continue to expand as Blu-Rays will.
That was actually developed as early as 2005. Source.

Here's another source dated much later, September 2006. I'm not sure why the time discrepancy...maybe the 2005 article was just announcing the breakthrough, the 2006 announcement was for a developed product that can be released to market. Either way, it's actually an awesome format: combining HD-DVD and standard DVD on a single disc. Talk about econonimcal for distributors: one disc containing both formats, i.e. multiple products. And talk about perfect for consumers: Buy a DVD now that won't be obsolete when you finally take the plunge into HD-DVD. Any way you look at it, it's win-freakin-win.

(The only way it wouldn't be win-win is if the damn greedy distributors decided to charge a lot more for the dual-format disc, thinking of each version as a separate product. And unfortunatley, I have no respect for them and believe that this is exactly what they would do.)
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PS3 vs 360 is not BetaMax vs VHS is not Blu-Ray vs HD DVD. Prove to me that it is, and prove to me that similar outcomes for all of them are on the horizon. I'm sorry, but anyone bringing these up sees it as Sony vs 360, VHS and HD DVD all together. And we all know what that means.

In response to this huge Blu-Ray and HD DVD discussion: Don't forget that it isn't the technology that makes the biggest difference, but the choices and opinions (corporate, press, and public) which make up the industry and its outcomes.
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PS3 vs 360 is not BetaMax vs VHS is not Blu-Ray vs HD DVD.
Agreed. The format war between HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray is analogous to VHS vs. Beta; but the only way to rationally bring the consoles into the discussion is to recognize Sony's use of the PS3 as a Blu-Ray market builder. I still maintain that the PS3 would have been a more successful product at launch had they used the existing DVD format, just as the X360 did. However, the Blu-Ray format would probably have suffered from not having that built-in install base.

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In response to this huge Blu-Ray and HD DVD discussion: Don't forget that it isn't the technology that makes the biggest difference, but the choices and opinions (corporate, press, and public) which make up the industry and its outcomes.
Exactly right, and the PS3 played a part in shaping those opinions as well. No doubt that Sony went into meetings with the movie studios touting the fact that the PS3 would have a Blu Ray player built in. And at the time, no one had any reason to suspect that the PS3 would be anything less that an amazing success. As much as their short sightedtness bothers me today, I can see how easy it would have been for the movie execs to hitch their wagons to Blu Ray "sight unseen" given the strength of the Playstation brand.
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