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Why are these kids being allowed to play mature games in the first place? It is absolutely 100% ridiculous that lack of parental supervision and nurturing still aren't being addressed! I FEEL LIKE I'M TAKING CRAZY PILLS.
    
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Edit - Forgot to say that the very idea that violent games can be "good" for kids is ludicrous, if not downright retarded. Maybe they aren't bad, but there is no way that exposure to violent content, whether it's from games, movies, or music, can be called "good" for a developing and impressionable child. (Yikes...can you tell I'm going to be a daddy soon?)
I agree and yes I am a dad. I think that alot of this is because parents just parent anymore. My 6 yeard understands that video games=fantasy and not real life. I teach him real world vs. games, movies etc. I live in an urban community with a lot of violence and felt that this needed to be taught to him at such an early stage. I think the values you instill in your children that will save them & help them understand what is right from wrong IMHO. No Excuse Just be there for them
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Game developers are upsetting the herd!

With the ideal of coupling and breeding more cattle being driven into our heads as "successful life steps and goals" we are slowly becoming incapable of even raising these calves properly and with healthy restrictions or morals?

Media of all forms (preferably indoctrinating and logically stifling) has become the new up bringer and should be held accountable over parental guidance?

Seriously... I really hate this crap and I hate the breeders who buy into it and let their children down.
    
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I think kid now days need to get off there @$$ and stop with all the media crap and go out,take a hike and learn how to live on there own for real,And stop playing video games,sure mabe you can learn somthing for games but,you should realy learn it form otheres.
    
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Well, yes and no. I read a study about two weeks ago...I think it might have been in my local paper...where the guy watched gamers' brains under an MRI scan while they were playing violent games. The act of playing the violent game stimulated the exact same areas of the brain that are stimulated during "real" violent activity. To the brain, "real" and "virtual" violence is the same.

The researcher was actually very surprised, since he was working under the same supoposition that you stated: previous studies found no link, yada yada yada. However, the data cannot be ignored. He did not make any conjecture, as a good scientist should not. However, I'm not a scientist! So let me postulate that, while gaming is unlikely to drive anyone "over the edge", all of the arguments about desensitizing people to violence may actually hold some water. I'm hoping to see some more studies like this one down the road, I'm curious to know more.

Edit - Forgot to say that the very idea that violent games can be "good" for kids is ludicrous, if not downright retarded. Maybe they aren't bad, but there is no way that exposure to violent content, whether it's from games, movies, or music, can be called "good" for a developing and impressionable child. (Yikes...can you tell I'm going to be a daddy soon?)

The problem is you cannot associate a similarity in the chemical reaction in the brain with the real thing. As far as your brain and eyes go they see a hologram the same as a real object. The difference is you KNOW the thing you are looking at is a hologram. I guarentee you that if you studied someones brain while watching a scary movie their brain will show real fear. And the study showed aggressive part of the brain, not violence, ofcoarse you're going to be aggressive when you are playing a shooter, thats the whole point. You're aggressive and violent when playing football in a game or real life, is that dangerouse?
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IMO, the term "kid" is tossed around too much, and covers anyone from 0-18 years. I think distinctions need to be made, a 6 year old playing GTA is a dumb idea because he probably isn't capable yet of understanding moral implications and all the differences between real life and games. At that age, they're more likely to repeat what they hear/see than think it through.

But come on, a 13+ year old "kid". Let's be honest, by 5th grade your kids have experienced or at least witnessed things in real life that have a far greater impact on them than some stupid game. I'm 22 now, but by 5th grade I knew every curse and derogatory word known to man, traded porn on the playground, and had my entire grade banned from football because we were too violent. This was before I owned my first game console or computer. I also should mention that I grew up in a wealthy, upper-middle class, Protestant, 98% white community in Ohio, and despite all this "immorality" everywhere I was a straight A student and so were tons of my classmates (over 40% of the kids in my grade were considered "gifted" by state standards).

Kids today are exposed to all sorts of things, some can handle it some can't. But if you treat your kid like he's too retarded to cope with real life issues like violence, chances are he's going to grow up too retarded to deal with it. Your job as a parent is to educate, not censor. Kids will be exposed to violence and all other "bad" things whether you want them too or not. The worst thing you can do is try to shelter a kid, you should be talking WITH them about issues, that's how they learn. Ask your kids what they think about real life stuff, it'll make them think. That's also a great time to chime in with what you think. Guiding them to right versus wrong is like a million times more effective than telling them, and like a kajillion times more effective than pretending that the wrong doesn't exist.

And before I step off this comfortable soap box, I thought I'd point out that the "moral" crusaders of today trying to yank violent games off the shelves and censor our tvs and radios are usually the same people preaching the war in Iraq and sending my classmates to go get mamed and killed while they sit over here stuffing their fat faces. Oh the irony...

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The problem is you cannot associate a similarity in the chemical reaction in the brain with the real thing. As far as your brain and eyes go they see a hologram the same as a real object. The difference is you KNOW the thing you are looking at is a hologram. I guarentee you that if you studied someones brain while watching a scary movie their brain will show real fear. And the study showed aggressive part of the brain, not violence, ofcoarse you're going to be aggressive when you are playing a shooter, thats the whole point. You're aggressive and violent when playing football in a game or real life, is that dangerouse?
I'm not suggesting that playing violent games makes people commit violent acts...I thought I was clear about that. The fact that an act is virtual vs. "real" is a second input into our response to the stimulus. There are countless more...are you tired? Hungry? Is it hot? All of these variable parameters are factored into our response to violent stimuli, or any stimuli for that matter.

But the constant "lighting up" of that specific area of the brain also must have a long term impact. If our brain repeatedly takes one response to violent stimuli, i.e. filing it as "no big deal" because it's only a game; then one might expect that to become the "path of least resistance" in the brain when that area lights up, with other inputs given less credence. It seems to be that this is the entire concept of "desensitizing" to violence, which it doesn't take a rocket scientist to see is a cultural fact over the last few decades.

I'm not claiming to be an expert in psychotherapy by the way, these are just my musings. I think they make sense, but they could just as easily be a load of manure.
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The problem is you cannot associate a similarity in the chemical reaction in the brain with the real thing. As far as your brain and eyes go they see a hologram the same as a real object. The difference is you KNOW the thing you are looking at is a hologram. I guarentee you that if you studied someones brain while watching a scary movie their brain will show real fear. And the study showed aggressive part of the brain, not violence, ofcoarse you're going to be aggressive when you are playing a shooter, thats the whole point. You're aggressive and violent when playing football in a game or real life, is that dangerouse?
Love your avatar.

Playing violent games does not make a person more violent. It will soon become apparent if the player is a violent player or not (ie, if he gets angry and chucks the controller); the game has not caused him to be a violent person, it's just showing his violent side, like a lense.

That's why I let my 6 year old sister play GTA:SA - she's not bad either .
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Originally Posted by VulcanDragon View Post
Edit - Forgot to say that the very idea that violent games can be "good" for kids is ludicrous, if not downright retarded. Maybe they aren't bad, but there is no way that exposure to violent content, whether it's from games, movies, or music, can be called "good" for a developing and impressionable child. (Yikes...can you tell I'm going to be a daddy soon?)
i will agree with you i dont think that violent games are bad for kids but none of that violent stuff is good for them. but what i am more worried about is how much time kids are on the computer or playing games.

i can see it in my little brother he is playing outside less and less because of video games and his stomach is getting bigger and he seems to have less energy. that is what my concern will be for my son as he starts growing up.

by the way im 20 and my bro is 14 and we started out watching are dad play wolfenstein and doom and neither of us is messed up.

by the way it is nice to see someone say that games are social because i get the most enjoyment playing multi-player games.
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I've been playing M rated games all my life from like 7 and up. I havn't shot anybody yet. lol
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