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Dude, the reason why ISP are lobbying for a tiered 'Internets' is so that they can expedite service to those companies who decide to pay for priority access for their customers - ie. favoritism.

The whole concept is marked by $$$. Right now every member of the 'internets' enjoy a level playing field. A tiered system will considerably disrupt access to content. What "little man" will be able to afford these legal fees, then again why should they have to? The way you're explaining it, it sounds like we'll be double charged - for content and service!?!

Now, imagine that a Government Administration decides to conduct an illegal war in a far off country for the sake of securing energy resources to fuel it's unstable economy, however an unregulated source of information pertaining to said conflict would potentially have a damaging effect on morale and domestic support for said war. The Administration, being responsible will not stand by idly and allow this content to disrupt their strategy, any and all tools available that conform to their percieved level of censorship is fair game...Ya, you guessed it, I'm taking a cue from present day where news media had to catch up with what was being brodcast on the internet, finally providing some semblence of parity in war coverage, now imagine if we didn't have that counter balance like we do now.

Look at it this way, the 'internets' as it is now, provides us with an alternative that is free from 'manufactured consent' (Noam Chomsky). The government isn't trying impose regulation, it's trying to prevent corporate monopolistic domination tactics.
The internet is far from "neutral" in reality. The so called multi tier system is already in effect. People pay for different services; it's the same concept. If a certain firm has the resources to "get more internet", then why should it not be able to get the services it wants? Last time I checked we were not living in a socialist state. And it's not the government that's directly lobbying for net neutrality. In fact, some elements of government are against it, because they realize what it will end up doing. And how will the government impose neutrality if not by regulating? Will it just tell everybody "okay guys, play nice, everyone is getting the same amount of bandwidth". No. They will have to twist a few arms and break a few legs to do it.
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Dude, the reason why ISP are lobbying for a tiered 'Internets' is so that they can expedite service to those companies who decide to pay for priority access for their customers - ie. favoritism.

The whole concept is marked by $$$. Right now every member of the 'internets' enjoy a level playing field. A tiered system will considerably disrupt access to content. What "little man" will be able to afford these legal fees, then again why should they have to? The way you're explaining it, it sounds like we'll be double charged - for content and service!?!

Now, imagine that a Government Administration decides to conduct an illegal war in a far off country for the sake of securing energy resources to fuel it's unstable economy, however an unregulated source of information pertaining to said conflict would potentially have a damaging effect on morale and domestic support for said war. The Administration, being responsible will not stand by idly and allow this content to disrupt their strategy, any and all tools available that conform to their percieved level of censorship is fair game...Ya, you guessed it, I'm taking a cue from present day where news media had to catch up with what was being brodcast on the internet, finally providing some semblence of parity in war coverage, now imagine if we didn't have that counter balance like we do now.

Look at it this way, the 'internets' as it is now, provides us with an alternative that is free from 'manufactured consent' (Noam Chomsky). The government isn't trying impose regulation, it's trying to prevent corporate monopolistic domination tactics.
The internet is far from "neutral" in reality. The so called multi tier system is already in effect. People pay for different services; it's the same concept. If a certain firm has the resources to "get more internet", then why should it not be able to get the services it wants? Last time I checked we were not living in a socialist state. And it's not the government that's directly lobbying for net neutrality. In fact, some elements of government are against it, because they realize what it will end up doing. And how will the government impose neutrality if not by regulating? Will it just tell everybody "okay guys, play nice, everyone is getting the same amount of bandwidth". No. They will have to twist a few arms and break a few legs to do it.
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The internet is far from "neutral" in reality. The so called multi tier system is already in effect. People pay for different services; it's the same concept. If a certain firm has the resources to "get more internet", then why should it not be able to get the services it wants? Last time I checked we were not living in a socialist state. And it's not the government that's directly lobbying for net neutrality. In fact, some elements of government are against it, because they realize what it will end up doing. And how will the government impose neutrality if not by regulating? Will it just tell everybody "okay guys, play nice, everyone is getting the same amount of bandwidth". No. They will have to twist a few arms and break a few legs to do it.
yeah, that is a different kind of pay tier we have now, we all connect to the same internet at different speeds. It isnt "getting more internet" that is the issue, it is the ISP's having the ability to make some sites (who have money) more accessible than others who dont. I dont knoe if you misunderstand what the situation is or are just buying what is told to you about capitalism.
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yeah, that is a different kind of pay tier we have now, we all connect to the same internet at different speeds. It isnt "getting more internet" that is the issue, it is the ISP's having the ability to make some sites (who have money) more accessible than others who dont. I dont knoe if you misunderstand what the situation is or are just buying what is told to you about capitalism.
They are not making sites inaccessible. If you have access you have access. It's still the same internet. What changes is the way you connect. How different is it from you not being able to pay your cable bill; doesn't your ISP then "limit" your access by cutting your service off?
Say you decide to get your ISP's gaming package, which is specially tailored for gaming needs (low latency bandwidth); you can still browse the web and access any site. The ones who will hurt will be the ones supplying the main servers, since they will probably will have to pay a bit more for certain services.
Again, the end-user will not suffer. He will have to adapt to new pricing plans, but they will still be affordable. It's not like it's going to be just "internet for poor people and internet for the stinking rich".
Large Content providers (not the guy who has a site about midgets) will have to make the most changes because of their special needs. Still, they will have access to all the same services as their competitors; it's up to them if they want to pay or not.
Capitalism is all about charging the most a person will pay for a product and be satisfied with said product. It's not about making services/products so expensive as to be unobtainable. Business is about making money, not about running itself out off business.
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So ****ing stupid i hate the U.S. now. Were so screwed up with ESRB and the MPAA and RIAA now they are screwing us with this?!!
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The internet is far from "neutral" in reality. The so called multi tier system is already in effect. People pay for different services; it's the same concept. If a certain firm has the resources to "get more internet", then why should it not be able to get the services it wants? Last time I checked we were not living in a socialist state. And it's not the government that's directly lobbying for net neutrality. In fact, some elements of government are against it, because they realize what it will end up doing. And how will the government impose neutrality if not by regulating? Will it just tell everybody "okay guys, play nice, everyone is getting the same amount of bandwidth". No. They will have to twist a few arms and break a few legs to do it.
Your whole arguement is based on your loath toward 'Government Regulation' and that any more would lead to a 'Socialist State'. This concept is atiquated, look at your Police service, Fire Departmnent, Postal Service among others, all of these services are provided by your Gov't - does that mean that you're living a 'Socialist State'?
    
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Your whole arguement is based on your loath toward 'Government Regulation' and that any more would lead to a 'Socialist State'. This concept is atiquated, look at your Police service, Fire Departmnent, Postal Service among others, all of these services are provided by your Gov't - does that mean that you're living a 'Socialist State'?
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Your whole arguement is based on your loath toward 'Government Regulation' and that any more would lead to a 'Socialist State'. This concept is atiquated, look at your Police service, Fire Departmnent, Postal Service among others, all of these services are provided by your Gov't - does that mean that you're living a 'Socialist State'?


You just have no idea, do you? Why don't you answer my points instead of bringing more issues into the debate?
Those services you listed are just that, services. Isn't a government's responsibility to guarantee the well being of it's citizens? And just so you know, since we leave in a capitalistic environment, those services can also be provided by the private sector (ever heard of private security companies?), leading to healthy competition and the overall betterment of said service.
Most people here hate government agencies that regulate. FCC, FTC, MPAA, etc. All hated for the rules they impose. Well, who do you think will monitor the internet and all that comes with it? If not the FCC or FTC as originally planned, then another government body. I though everybody here hated said agencies? Is the cybercummunity flip flopping on its principles? It may not end up a "police state", but the extra burden on the government will be tremendous. Regulate cyberspace to a degree, but find someone else to do it instead of the government.
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Alright, fair enough, lets 'stick to the issues'...you says that:

"Capitalism is all about charging the most a person will pay for a product and be satisfied with said product"

person = us, end user.

chargor = corporation

who again will have to pay for priority bandwidth? Ahh the content provider. So then what regulation do you speak of? Government regulation? As far as I know there is no governing body in existence. So you are arguing against something that doesn't really exist.

But wait, there is a real issue we're dealing with right? Ahh yes, I get it! The regulation you speak of is actually coming from the ISP's. So now who should you be worried about?

Government Internet Regulation = Non existent.

Corporate Regulation = Real threat being faught by advocates of Net Neutrality.
    
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Regardless of the outcome, when ever the government sticks there noase in it, we ending paying more one way or the other!
Whoops, hope that wasen't conscrued as a political statment
    
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