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Alright, on my sig rig, I have a Zalman 9500 LED. It did drop my temps down...but I'm still unable to OC it for anything. I've got load temps of 65*C at STOCK speeds!

Now I've NEVER done a liquid cooling setup before. Is there some sort of a kit that would be easy to install so I can learn how things work...but at the same time work well? I'd prefer it to all be inside my case...but I really don't have much room in there either. Its an Apevia X-Discovery...if that helps at all.

Anyway, is there anything that you guys could suggest for me to buy or look into? I'd like it to be all internal...and cool better than this stupid Zalman does. And I think my Zalman does such a poor job is because the case is so small. I think that with a Water Cooler, the ambient temps inside my machine should be lower, which would mean my CPU would be lower as well.
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Hi.

Somthing like This would do well.

You coud probably decide what components you wanted, then start shopping around to see if you could get good deals, thereby saving some cash.

Swiftech makes good components...

oopsies... forgot: You might be able to mount the radiator on the topside or the backside of your case.
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Hi.

Somthing like This would do well.

You coud probably decide what components you wanted, then start shopping around to see if you could get good deals, thereby saving some cash.

Swiftech makes good components...

oopsies... forgot: You might be able to mount the radiator on the topside or the backside of your case.
Well see, my problem with that is I have no clue what all I need for Water Cooling. I'd feel much better off on my first WC setup by just getting a decent all in one kit...that hopefully cools better than my Zalman. I'm hitting 65*C load here at STOCK speeds!!! Hence why I'm hoping that this WC adventure works out. And my voltage is set to 1.275 instead of 1.35 (stock).

EDITED: Sorry. I went and checked that site out again and that looks like a whole kit. If somebody can confirm that this is an all in one kit that'll be decent enough (better than the Zalman 9500 for air)....then I might have to buy it....hoping for lower temps. And please forgive me...I'm a complete noob when it comes to Watercooling. Great idea, that I've never tried yet. But I don't want to fry anything in the process...hence why I want an all in one kit.
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dude that is a kit, it comes with everything you need

Just think bout it its not that hard , a pump pushing water through a small heatsink then through a radiator , all the other stuff is extra
    
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www.petrastechshop.com has some really nice preassembled watercooling kits for sale, that will include everything you will need to setup.
Petra's Water Cooling Kits


If you want to build one piece by piece, here are some good parts for a good custom watercooling setup(may I suggest the following):

Pumps:
Laing D5 Vario/Swiftech MCP655 Inline 12V DC Pump
OR
Laing D5 Basic/Swiftech MCP655-B Inline 12V DC Pump
OR
Laing DDC w/ Petra'sTech DDCT-01s Top Combo


Radiator:
(These following rads are best used with some high CMF fans because they are thick):
Black Ice GTX Gen Two Xtreme 240 Highest Peformance Radiator
OR if your on a tight budget, this rad:
Black Ice Pro II Compact High Peformance Radiator
OR
Black Ice Xtreme 2 High Peformance Radiator

(These following rads are best used with some lower CMF fans because they are thinner and have a less dense cooling fin structure):
ThermoChill PA120.2 Dual 120mm Radiator
(the thermochill is thick, but it seems to perform well with both high and low CMF fans)
Swiftech Radiator - MCR220 Quiet Power Series Dual 120 mm

NOTE: These are the 2x120mm size radiator, they also come in 1x120mm, 2x120mm, 3x120mm and the Hw Labs make 4x120mm radiator sizes.

Fans:
High CMF fans will always get you better temps with thick rads.
So if you dont mind noise go with these:
Panaflo 120mm x 38mm FBA12G12M-1J Medium Speed Hydro Wave Bearing 3pin Case Fan (86.5 CFM/35 dBA)
Sunon 120mm x 38mm KDE1212PMB3-6A Double Ball Bearing 4pin Case Fan (108 CFM/42 dBA)
If you like your PC silent, go with these:
Yate Loon 120mm D12SL-12 Case Fan - Black (47 CFM, 28 dBA)
(Cheap, perform well and are quite!! got to love Loons!)

CPU block:
D-TEK FuZion Universal CPU Waterblock
OR
Swiftech Apogee GT Universal Waterblock
OR
A custom made waterblock, milled by hand by Fred a member here on this very WCing forum. You can reach him at his site here:
Stinger Waterblocks


GPU nVIDIA 8800 series:
For you GPU, there are 2 options, a full coverage block that covers everything including the RAM, or one that just covers the GPU core and cools the other parts with passive cooling:
(personally i prefer full coverage but results show that just the core one gives you better temps)
Full coverage:
EK-FC8800GTX Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 GTX
EK-FC8800GTS Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 GTS
OR
Swiftech Stealth Full Cover Waterblock for nVidia 8800 Series
OR
Danger Den - 8800GTX
Danger Den - 8800GTS

OR

Just GPU core coverage for the GTX/GTS:
Swiftech MCW60 GPU Waterblock w/ G80 Adapter Plate (Retail Edition)
OR the combo one with the ramsinks included:
Swiftech MCW60 GPU Waterblock w/ MC14 Ramsinks

Tubing:
1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing
/16" ID (5/8" OD) Tygon R-3603 Laboratory-Grade Tubing
AND
1/2" ID (3/4" OD) Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing
7/16" ID (5/8" OD) Masterkleer General Purpose Clear PVC Tubing

With all that bending of tubing in your PC you are bound to form what they call "kinks". Which is when the tubing gives way and collapses to for a very tight bend, these are bad as they restrict the flow and can cause your pump to over work itself.
Thicker OD of the tubing is known to kink less since the walls are thicker.
But if your still having problems here is a good solution:
Swiftech SmartCoils 625 (for 5/8" OD Tubing) - UV Ocean Blue
(Comes in other colors as well)

Some people say the 7/16"ID is easier to work with as its thinner than the 1/2"ID.
Personally i picked the 1/2"ID, just to have the largest.

As tygon is more flexable, but also much more expensive than Masterkleer, i suggest you use Tygon for the tight curves you will need in you system, and the cheaper Masterkleer for the straight parts of your loop.
At tygon at about $3.25 per foot and Masterkleer at $.75 per foot it will save you some costs that way.

A radbox:
Swiftech MCB-120 "Radbox" Radiator/Fan Housing Rev. 2 - Black
You will need one of these to mount your radiator at the back of your case.

A "T" Line or reservoir: (OR both)
Now you can use what they call a "T" line or a reservoir in your watercooling loop.
Swiftech MCRES-MICRO Hi-Flo Reservoir
EK-RES150 Multi-Option Reservoir
The EK and Swiftech reservoir are just 2 of the more famous ones, there are many good reservoirs out there, you just have to pick one that suits your liking, they all share the same purpose, which is just holding some coolant to feed your pump, not much complications there.
OR
For a "T" line you will need 2 parts:
1/2" OD T-Fitting (for 1/2" and 7/16" ID Tubing)
and
Danger Den Delrin FillPort They come in different colors.Blue,black,brass,etc.

Other miscellaneous stuff that you will need and make your build easier and more secure include:
Stainless Steel Worm-Drive Hose Clamp
PTFE Thread Tape
Danger Den Filling Syringe


Coolant:
For coolant there are many choices you can go with, look up some idea's on the forums.
Pure distilled water with 0% addatives will give you the best temperatures.
For much more detailed info you can go here:
Coolant Ideas
Personally i like this:
UV Reactive Pentosin G11 Coolant Additive (Blue)
You will also need a biocide to kill some evil algae growth in your system.I use this:
Petra'sTech "PT_Nuke" Concentrated Biocide

I really like www.petrastechshop.com
I order from them all the time, they have great stuff and some excellent customer service.

Some more good shops to buy watercooling parts can be found here:
Stores to buy watercooling gear

Some good links to read and get you started:

Water Cooling - In English

Water Cooling Guide

Assembling your Custom Watercooling

Choosing The Best Pump for Your WaterCooling System

Guide To WaterCooling and Leak Testing

The Beginners Watercooling FAQ


For examples on "T" lines and all that take a look at My Rig in my sig bellow to see some nice pics.
Or
Look at some pics of our watercooling setups of the people in this forum posted here:
WaterCooling Pics
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post #6 of 10
I have only assembled a single water cooling rig, though it has gone through multiple changes and configurations.

I understand how nerve-wracking it can be...

Do some reading to dispell the mystery:

Water Cooling in English

Assembling your water cooling setup

Take your time and you will be golden.



heh! Apollo4g beat me to it.... He, ira-k, and DryadSoul are the people to turn to when you need some excellent insight...there are others, but I see them the most and they always have stellar advice and links.
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The kits linked by both Syrillian/Apollo are rock solid performers. If they are out of your price range,
just make a full list of the kits components and then do some comparative shopping for lower
individual component prices. Doing it that way can/will bring the total kit price down closer to $210,
but having to purchase from several sites, the shipping could put the price over that of the kit itself.

Above all else, take your time and be dilligent in your WCing endeavor and you'll be good to go.

BTW, how's the weather over in that desert you call home?
  
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good luck with it! it takes time to get it all perfect these guys posted a lot of things to get u started and help out! um it took me a week m-f to clean and test and make sure everything was perfect now its bad ass im in love with watercooling its great even on hot ass days; p.s. damn i have not posted in like 4-5 months here cant believe i membered my password
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Wow your cpu is HOT!! Something is wrong, did you try re-mounting the processor? How much thermal paste are you using? Are you using arctic silver 5?

I have a similar smaller zalman (7700) and it cools it to about 50C load when I'm overclocked at 2.5Ghz from 2.0GHz and I've seen people get to 2.8 on some newer fans.

But if you opt for water, any of the kits mentioned (swiftech) are very good and are the easiest to work with. But first I would try re-mounting the CPU and maybe upgrading your case fans to get better airflow. Even if you had a radiator (and you wanted something internal) it wouldn't be much better.
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