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Reuters: 7/11/07 HD DVD group says outselling Blu-ray in Europe

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http://www.reuters.com/article/techn...35679220070712
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FRANKFURT (Reuters) - HD DVD video players have outsold rival standard Blu-ray players by a three-to-one margin in Europe's main markets so far this year, according to a lobby group.

The European HD DVD Promotional Group claimed it had 74 percent market share in Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Spain and Switzerland for stand-alone players, citing sales figures it commissioned from market research group GfK.

GfK said it has not published research commissioned from the trade group.

The HD DVD group, led by Toshiba Corp. (6502.T: Quote, Profile, Research) and backed by Microsoft Corp. (MSFT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and film studios including Warner Bros. (TWX.N: Quote, Profile, Research), declined to give figures for how many players it had shipped to retail outlets in Europe.

The figures were for stand-alone players only and did not include sales of games consoles such as Sony Corp.'s (6758.T: Quote, Profile, Research) (SNE.N: Quote, Profile, Research) PlayStation 3, which contains a Blu-ray player.

The Sony-led Blu-ray lobby group includes Samsung Electronics Co. Ltd. (005930.KS: Quote, Profile, Research), Apple Inc. (AAPL.O: Quote, Profile, Research) and Dell Inc. (DELL.O: Quote, Profile, Research). Its discs, which are outselling HD DVD discs, can store more information and special features but the technology is more expensive.

Toshiba cut prices for its HD-E1 HD DVD player to 399 euros ($549) in Europe and $299 in the United States last month from 499 euros and $399, respectively.

Sony's BDP-S300 Blu-ray player costs $499 in the United States, and its BDP-S1E European version has recently gone on sale, with prices starting at around 900 euros. Other Blu-ray players have been on sale in Europe for longer.
That really is an unfair comparison. I doubt anyone would waste their money on a stand alone BD player vice getting a PS3. The other thing that kind of annoys me is the constant claim that BD is more expensive than HD... But what are the exact figures?

I found one shred of information with regards to replication cost for HD and BD disks. It is a little dated though, 2/10/07, but so far its the most pertinent article I have been able to find.

http://wesleytech.com/blu-ray-vs-hd-...zed-again/113/

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#1) The setup or mastering fee is waived on larger orders
#2) The per disc cost of HD DVD-ROM DL is approximately equal to the per disc cost of BD-ROM SL (~$1.30).
#3) The per disc cost of BD-ROM DL is approximately 15 cents more than the HD DVD DL cost.
#4) These costs are likely to go down as time goes on and service (demand) increases.
#5) These are wholesale costs for the industry, going through a reseller or replication broker (such as ProActionMedia) will lead to higher costs.



Blu-ray does NOT cost significantly more than HD DVD


Using the pricing data and example calculations in this article we can make a few conclusions on replication costs at this plant. Replicating on HD DVD SL (15GB) will always be the most inexpensive option at any quantity. Replicating on Blu-ray DL (50GB) will always be the most expensive option. But the pricing of the other two media types (HD DVD DL and Blu-ray SL) is where the most interesting information is. Looking at the pricing and calculated data we can conclude that replicating content on the Blu-ray format is not significantly more costly than HD DVD. In fact, replicating on Blu-ray SL (25GB) can actually be less expensive than replicating on HD DVD DL (30GB). Hopefully this article will help to dispell the myth that Blu-ray disc replication is significantly more expensive than HD DVD replication. If you have any comments please post them in the reply section of this article below and thank you for reading.
In my search for more info I decided to email ritekusa for some pricing details...

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Hi XXX,

Thank you for your interests at out optical media. In order for me to provide any pricing, I need to have a copy of your credit application form in order to keep a record. I have already attached it in this message, please kindly have it fill out and fax it back to my attention. Upon receipt of your credit application for, I will then be able to provide pricing on our optical media.

Please do note that we do have a minimum order quantity for both CD-R and DVD-R, which is 50,000pcs per month. For BD, any quantity is fine as long as you are purchasing some other type of optical media along with it.

Should you have any questions, please feel free to contact me.

Regards,

CaRRie K. Ng

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1440 Bridgegate Drive, Suite 395

Diamond Bar, CA 91765

Direct: 909-348-0144

Fax 909-612-4258

Website: www.ritekusa.com
Attachment 52123

Unfortunately I have no real credit, I only use cash , nor do I have a fax machine... But I included an archive of the application for anyone who may be interested in getting some pricing information from as close to the source as possible.
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i was reading how it said hd-dvd was backed by studios such as warner bros isnt that the only one backing them the other are blu-ray only i could be wrong but im posative most of the major studio support is for bluray
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Too bad Europe doesn't do much to sway the corporations (aka, shot callers)

It's all about Japan and America.

I'm not being a Team America jerk, it's just the truth.
    
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I wouldn't really want to play movies through a console, I would much rather have a dedicated player.
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i agree but in the mean time its an awsome alternative till they are cheaper. Also didnt bluckbuster announce to carry blu-ray only. May have made that up so dont flame be i thought i read that somewhere.
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Yes someone in the forums did post an article awhile back saying that Blockbuster had backed BR only.
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i agree but in the mean time its an awsome alternative till they are cheaper. Also didnt bluckbuster announce to carry blu-ray only. May have made that up so dont flame be i thought i read that somewhere.
This is true. Blockbuster made this decision based on rentals in their stores that carry both formats. The Blu-Ray discs are moving more rentals.

The reason is obvious, of course. Even though the PS3 is not selling a ton of units from a gaming console perspective, it is still outselling standalone HD-DVD players. Does it matter if HD-DVD players are capturing a 74% market share of the dedicated market, when the non-dedicated market dwarfs that? Not really. More Blu Ray machines, dedicated or not, equal higher demand for Blu Ray discs.
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Weird Europeans.
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I wouldn't really want to play movies through a console, I would much rather have a dedicated player.
Theres little to no difference in regards to the PS3, it was designed to be a multimedia machine.
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I like Blu ray for what its worth (25-50GBs of cheap space)but who is the stupid idiet that disided to call it "BLU RAY" i makes me think of a type if "thing" that live in the center of the earth that eats little boys and girls,they should have called it MS DVD for mass storagge DVD or somthing not "blu ray"I just cant here my self saying that "yo bro whats up you whant to come over and watch some "BLU RAYS".That just sound toltaly gay.
    
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