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I also was running benchmarks with a crippled Q6600 running one core.

I posted that without knowing I was running one core.

Then immediately sold the card to a member who had to have it ASAP before fixing my rig.

I now have two 512 on the way from Egg--hoping to see them no later than Tuesday afternoon.

At that time I will bench a single card and then CF them.

I posted what I got---8K

Who would not be disappointed with 8K from a $500 state of the art offering.
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i find it funny how benchmarks matter so much to some people. its like they buy a GPU simply for its benchmark results. And dont do that much gaming. Pointless? the 2900XT is fantastic, and its not far behind its nvidia equivalent. Just because the odd few people are having problems with it, doesnt mean its a bad card. I know alot of people who are amazed with their 2900XT's.
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1. ALL DX10 cards were having problems with the ported Lost Planet. This isn't an ATI problem at all.
Not true, my GTX runs Lost Planet without any problems at all in DX10, and I can even run 2xAA 16xAF and still get acceptable rates. The same with the 2900XT cannot be said.

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2. Downloaded it in Chinese maybe?
No offense, but gimme a break. Yes, I downloaded the english version to run on my GTX and a chinese version to run on the 2900

For the record I said, "messed up and looks like chinese or summat", not that it was chinese.

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3. That was pretty obvious from the start dude. The fact that you tried to power it on a 500W GreenPower actually surprises me in itself. It has never been a secret that the 2900XT is more of a power hog compared to a 8800
Maybe, but to not run on a well-built, energy efficient PSU with twin 18A 12V rails? Power consumption isn't something i'm that fussed about, but for a card to have this many problems with new games and to require significant upgrade changes as well, definitely not a plus-point.

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i find it funny how benchmarks matter so much to some people. its like they buy a GPU simply for its benchmark results. And dont do that much gaming. Pointless? the 2900XT is fantastic, and its not far behind its nvidia equivalent. Just because the odd few people are having problems with it, doesnt mean its a bad card. I know alot of people who are amazed with their 2900XT's.
"Its nVidia equivalent" is the GTS 640MB if you go by price alone. In this scenario, with most games, it's fine and performs in relation to the price you're paying. I'm not saying the card is "fantastic", nor "bad", to quote your terms, it's just ok.

What I'm highlighting is that with brand new games that are unfortunately nVidia sponsored, it doesn't run well and you have substantial problems. I see two explanations. 1. nVidia is getting so much money behind some developers that they're intentionally making/forgetting to patch bugs (most likely), or 2. That ATi's driver team are either having a hell of a time writing good drivers for it, or aren't putting in enough effort.

I feel sorry for ATi on both accounts, because if nVidia are employing bad tactics to make their cards seem better, then shame on them. Unfortunately still doesn't change the fact that the more consistent performer is the 8800.

Like I said before, potential, potential, potential. The card has bucket loads and I desperately want to see it succeed, but if devs don't embrace it, or ATi can't write a consistently decent driver for it, I couldn't live with the uncertainty and unreliability.

With all that out the way, I'm doing a bucket load of testing with the two cards in the next week, so it'll have plenty of chances to prove me wrong and for me to have to quote myself in error, which I will gladly and happily do, if/when.
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Not true, my GTX runs Lost Planet without any problems at all in DX10, and I can even run 2xAA 16xAF and still get acceptable rates. The same with the 2900XT cannot be said.



No offense, but gimme a break. Yes, I downloaded the english version to run on my GTX and a chinese version to run on the 2900

For the record I said, "messed up and looks like chinese or summat", not that it was chinese.



Maybe, but to not run on a well-built, energy efficient PSU with twin 18A 12V rails? Power consumption isn't something i'm that fussed about, but for a card to have this many problems with new games and to require significant upgrade changes as well, definitely not a plus-point.



"Its nVidia equivalent" is the GTS 640MB if you go by price alone. In this scenario, with most games, it's fine and performs in relation to the price you're paying. I'm not saying the card is "fantastic", nor "bad", to quote your terms, it's just ok.

What I'm highlighting is that with brand new games that are unfortunately nVidia sponsored, it doesn't run well and you have substantial problems. I see two explanations. 1. nVidia is getting so much money behind some developers that they're intentionally making/forgetting to patch bugs (most likely), or 2. That ATi's driver team are either having a hell of a time writing good drivers for it, or aren't putting in enough effort.

I feel sorry for ATi on both accounts, because if nVidia are employing bad tactics to make their cards seem better, then shame on them. Unfortunately still doesn't change the fact that the more consistent performer is the 8800.

Like I said before, potential, potential, potential. The card has bucket loads and I desperately want to see it succeed, but if devs don't embrace it, or ATi can't write a consistently decent driver for it, I couldn't live with the uncertainty and unreliability.

With all that out the way, I'm doing a bucket load of testing with the two cards in the next week, so it'll have plenty of chances to prove me wrong and for me to have to quote myself in error, which I will gladly and happily do, if/when.
What a great post.

Now that's what I like to see...Rich reviewers (lol)

No sense in comparing apples and oranges unless you got a blender and a quart of Vodka IMO.

The fact that ATI cards cannot handle certain game code is going to hurt sales..which has got to be good for Nvidia...so it would stand to reason that something underhanded could be occuring. Considering that any industry basically seems to be waging war with it's competitors by ANY means possible pay-ola is about the oldest of the weapons and is certainly in use throughout the media industry...and I don't hink there would even be a commercial broadcast radio industry without it


That said ATI is certainly banging their head against a faucet as they flail about with one near miss after another. I would hope the MFRs would adopt some sort of standard that developers would folloqw instead of constantly creating new paradigms for developers to grapple.

But those are excuses that will not make any difference to the steely eyed gamer in search of cards known to excell without bugs or glitches.

Waiting for code and waiting for compatibniltiy issues to sort is something only die hard ATI enthusiasts and curious benchmark addicts will stand for.

I fall in the latter category and frankly the ability of the card to play games is not something I have the time to discover...so it is good to know about the glitches and shortcomings there that I might otherwise be ignorant of.

What I will discover soon enough is how well these cards run the benchmarks that we so often use.

And that will satisfy 99% of my curiousity.

If the cards also do well in the graphical apps i am using and plan to learn then so much the better.

If they can Fold then that is another plus!

Thanks again for the insights Doc
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i don't know about you guys, but i refuse to base my next g-card purchase on its performance of a single crappy game like Lost Planet. in fact, i don't think i'll even consider buying a DX10 card for at least another 6 months simply because of all the speculation going on. after the awesome batch of games are released for the holiday season this year, we'll have a lot more facts to base our opinions on. right now everyone is just guessing anyway.


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I would hope the MFRs would adopt some sort of standard that developers would folloqw instead of constantly creating new paradigms for developers to grapple.
i think the upside to the current system is that it leaves more room for innovation. it might make the learning curve a little steeper, but it's good for engineers to not be bound by any one formula or system.
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I can see that POV. But from what I have seen of the business world it is all about the almighty dollar. It isn't innovation for innovation's sake--it's innovation to exclude and divide the competition: BLuRay and HD DVD are a great example of two Shogun locked in a deathgrip refusing to compromise and trying to force their competitor to capitulate.

I am sure there is more to the picture than I can could ever see...but what I see is a 30 billion dollar industry that is tkaing the consumer for a run as fast as possible.... the new product releases are not so much about the amazing technolgy--the new release are about upstaging their competor and taking a larger and larger share of the market...Just like Intel AMD.

Or the Cold War...each super power forces the other to put up or shut up each quarter and although this may mahe for a lot of excitement and interest and enthusiasm for the tech--it also drains our wallets every three months!

We are the cash cow and they are milking us dry...

I predict a backlash agaisnt this incessant upgrade path by a large portion of the market. In general it will sonn become obvious that the tech has far out run the code and as you pointed out--why by DX10 HW when the DX10 SW just is not there yet?

This is what I meant about the market synching up: the HW mfrs and the SW developers seem to be on two or even three different pages...
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In general it will soon become obvious that the tech has far out run the code...
i couldn't have said it better myself. i think that's the best way to describe the current state of affairs.
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I said that? It must have slipped in amidst the constant rambling....
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The cards are just touchy. Make sure other hardware on the system are all GOOD quality and such. Also make sure the power supply is total overkill.

It MIGHT be wise to use an AMD chipset instead of an Nvidia one.
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Intel man Intel...

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