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Nice work! It seems to me that adding one of these 90's results in a barely noticeable loss in flowrate.

Are you going to drop test the 3/8" ones you sent? I would love to see those stacked up against the monster elbow
Yes, I just ran out of fittings. I plan to make at least one more of those, one copper T, and maybe one elbow with G1/4 threading to add to the mix.

It appears it's the sharp transitions that hurt flow rate as expected. I'm going to guess those should do about as well as a 1/2" nylon T, but I'll test it to confirm.
    
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Updated to V1.9 with the recent pump testing that was done, still work to do but I wanted to get another update done.

Details in the OP
http://www.overclock.net/water-cooli...et-v1-7-a.html
    
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Thank You Martin what a fantastic Tool your hard work is unbelievably cool!!
I wish I had found this before i bought some parts but I have to make the best of it and this certainly helps.
I'm hoping I don't need to replace my Rads. I have two HW Labs BI Pro II radiators.
I don't see them listed and am concerned they are not worth the effort.
In any case I'm wondering which Rad would most closely match up/compare in the drop down if any?
On the other hand it looks like my other parts I have are OK.
I'm putting a dual loop system together for my 680i build (see sig).
I've decided to leave out the PWM and SB keeping them on air
It will look something like this:
All Tygon 3603 & Danger Den High Flow Fittings G 1/4 BSPP (wondering about these too??)
Loop1: DDC-1 9w-AlphaTop>HW Lab BI Pro II>ApogeeGTX>MCW30(NB)>T-Line DD FP/Pump
Loop2: DDC-1 9w AlphaTop>HW Lab BI Pro II>EK-FC8800>EK-FC8800>SingleBay 5 1/4 Res>Pump

The thing I like most about the tool is how easy it is to see improvements to a loop based on hardware choices. Atleast if your going for High Flow this is THE tool to have.
Thanks again!!

Any comments on my loops will be appreciated.
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Thank You Martin what a fantastic Tool your hard work is unbelievably cool!!
I wish I had found this before i bought some parts but I have to make the best of it and this certainly helps.
I'm hoping I don't need to replace my Rads. I have two HW Labs BI Pro II radiators.
I don't see them listed and am concerned they are not worth the effort.
In any case I'm wondering which Rad would most closely match up/compare in the drop down if any?
On the other hand it looks like my other parts I have are OK.
I'm putting a dual loop system together for my 680i build (see sig).
I've decided to leave out the PWM and SB keeping them on air
It will look something like this:
All Tygon 3603 & Danger Den High Flow Fittings G 1/4 BSPP (wondering about these too??)
Loop1: DDC-1 9w-AlphaTop>HW Lab BI Pro II>ApogeeGTX>MCW30(NB)>T-Line DD FP/Pump
Loop2: DDC-1 9w AlphaTop>HW Lab BI Pro II>EK-FC8800>EK-FC8800>SingleBay 5 1/4 Res>Pump

The thing I like most about the tool is how easy it is to see improvements to a loop based on hardware choices. Atleast if your going for High Flow this is THE tool to have.
Thanks again!!

Any comments on my loops will be appreciated.
Thanks!

No, don't replace your radiators, the BIP radiators are very good, very similar to the swiftech MCR series. The only reason I don't have them in there is because I havn't been able to find a pressure drop curves for them.

I wouldn't worry too much about pressure drop between radiators, generally the restriction is much much lower than the CPU block. Most of the radiators are relatively equal on flow rate.

As a guess for your BIP radiators, you can use the BIX240, I think ti would probably be close enough.

But don't let flow rate be the all in your decision. With water cooling it's a balance between restriction and thermal performance. Generally the more restrictive, the more turbulence within, so it's a trade off.

Also the gains in temperature improvement above 1 GPM or so is relatively small.

The intent of the spreadsheet is for educational purposes, to give you a general idea how things work.

Also keep in mind alot of the curves were based on internet information which could be in error. I've seen comparisons where the estimator is off by as much as 15 or 20%.

Anyhow, glad you like it! I created the spreadsheet to educate myself, and figured I'd try to help the community understand flow rate a little better as well.

I think your loops are very good!
    
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I hope you don't mind me taking p space on this thread but I've noticed a couple things in your sig that I have a question about.

How in the world did you manage to use that TR HR05 on the SB? I'm guessing the GTX
doesn't take up 2 pci slots but it's gotta be a tight fit either way yo turn it. Not sure about yours but my GTS 640's put off a lot of heat as a matter of fact my Top seated card (next to NB and ontop of SB runs 6 to 9 degrees hotter than the other. I believe it's because of there close proximity to all that heat. I'm also guessing there is no optional fan. Not sure how true it is but I hear my old VC-RE will fit on the SB but the TR is probably better I've been searching for a good solution on the PWM and SB wit not to much luck hence the question.
Also I see you use the MCP655 I happen to have one myself. Can you see any benefit using one in my setup? If so which loop would you recommend.
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I hope you don't mind me taking p space on this thread but I've noticed a couple things in your sig that I have a question about.

How in the world did you manage to use that TR HR05 on the SB? I'm guessing the GTX
doesn't take up 2 pci slots but it's gotta be a tight fit either way yo turn it. Not sure about yours but my GTS 640's put off a lot of heat as a matter of fact my Top seated card (next to NB and ontop of SB runs 6 to 9 degrees hotter than the other. I believe it's because of there close proximity to all that heat. I'm also guessing there is no optional fan. Not sure how true it is but I hear my old VC-RE will fit on the SB but the TR is probably better I've been searching for a good solution on the PWM and SB wit not to much luck hence the question.
Also I see you use the MCP655 I happen to have one myself. Can you see any benefit using one in my setup? If so which loop would you recommend.
No problem, that's what we're all here for.

The TR HR05 works ok on the SB, but it is big, and I've slid mine slightly off of center. I have seen pictures of someone with two air cooled 8800GTX's with an HR05 in between. It didn't have a fan and was darn near touching each of them at the slight angle it sits....so I know it's possible. The relatively loose mounting clip/springs allows you to slide the base around a little. I have an 80mm x 10mm fan on mine and it cools really well. From 50's stock down to the 30's.

Not sure on the MCP655 and where you would want to use it. It's a great pump, I have three of them now, one of them is a basic model though.
    
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I was wondering how a user can add a PQ curve to the database. I was actually just trying to add one from you latest DDC 3.2 pump test.
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Rep'd great thread Marti.

Pm'd for further Q's.
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Update 3-6-08
Added all the DDC3.2 pump top curves I recently tested as well as the Aqua Computers Double Impact. (File is attached in the OP link above)..
These curves are new or updated for version 2.6:

CPU blocks:
Aqua Computers Double Impact

Pumps:
Laing DDC-3.2 (stock)
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Alphacool Plexi Top) Top Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Alphacool Plexi Top) Side Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Alphacool Reservoir Top)
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Danger Den Top) Top Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Danger Den Top) Side Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/EK G1/4 X-Top)
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/EK X-Res 140 Top)
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Koolance Top) Top Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/Koolance Top) Side Inlet
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/DDCT-01s Top)
Laing DDC-3.2 (w/XSPC DDC Top)
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Updated to version 2.8
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