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I also like Firefox's search-in-address-bar feature. You just type something like 'betanews spywareblaster' or 'newegg Multisync 20WMGX2' and it takes you right to the page(FF 1.5), or to a search results page(FF 2.0).
Ummm that feature is also in IE.

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I have had the exact opposite of you. IE fails to load most pages(at all), and FF loads them all properly. I don't need a browser that fails to load pages, and keeps stealing window focus.
Complete opposite of me. When I tried out FF it would load some pictures incorrectly and some animated gifs would not move and sometimes they just wouldnt show up at all. Also some videos wouldnt play, I kept having to copy the url and pasting it into IE for the video to play. And some other annyoing stuff. I guess its just really how you surf.
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post #52 of 61
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Ummm that feature is also in IE.
People say that, and yet it's never worked for me on IE6 or IE7.
     
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A bit of info for all the IE6/IE7 lovers who love IE and do not know much about programming

IE6/IE7 DOESN'T EVEN CACHE BACKGROUND IMAGES~!!!!!!!!!!!!!

what does this mean? wasted bandwidth. on my site, my images have received 11423456 hits when my page has been viewed only 35234 times....MY IMAGES RECEIVED THOSE 11423456 HITS and thats because even though each page uses the same images (I use PHP and includes) IE7 reloads them and does not cache because they are background images. its easily fixed (ITS A BUG NOT EVEN IN IE5 PEOPLE COME ON!!!!!) but M$ did it by purpose...they say this behavior is by design....they want more hits from IE although it doesnt matter anymore people using archaic tracking software would get more IE hits than people who actually visited using IE
    
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post #54 of 61
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about IE out there. IE doesn't start faster; it starts when you boot. There are programs that let you strip components out of Windows(is that against TOS?); stripping IE out saved me ~6-8 seconds on startup. For me the time between the XP load bar showing up, and my desktop flashing into existance is under 4 seconds. I enjoy having a comp that boots in ~29-30 seconds. ~22 seconds to reach the boot menu(ugh), another 6-7 to boot into Windows and finish loading startup programs, and then another 2-3 to start Firefox or a game.

I wouldn't look at it quite as a missconception as I would call it a technicality. yes IE does load with windows as it is part of the core of windows. firefox on the other has to be loaded manually. now with that I don't reboot my computer very often so even if it cost me 10 second to load ie on reboot that's fine 10 seconds in a week to a months worth of time. now my browser I open multiple times through the day. 10 seconds here and there sucks. and sure if I open firefox close it and then reopen it chances are it's still loaded in ram and will open quick. lets say I open it though then close it play some games come back and load firefox back up. chances are it has been removed from ram at this point so it would be just like a fresh start of firefox all over again and agian I have that huge wait that I have just like a opening it cold.

would say I'm still giving a missconception?

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Right, so to keep IE safe you need 2-3 spyware removal proggies, an antivirus program, and peerguardian for ads?
wait so you need an addon for ads with firefox right? But honestly I didn't even know peerguardian would remove ads when I downloaded it. that wasn't the reason I got it as it was more it's other features instead. that was just a side plus. though honestly I leave it to where the add blocking is disabled. and who said I need an antivirus program or a spyware removal tool. I know I didn't say that you did. on my computer right now I have no anti-virus. haven't been infected yet that I know and if I did get infected it wouldn't be fault of internet explorer just like firefox wouldn't protect me. it's more of how and where I aquire my stuff that would cause that one if you know what I mean. as far as spyware I haven't had problems with that either. but then again thats more of watching where I go and what I do.

I do'nt need a program like firefox to watch out for me because I'm too stupid to do it on my own

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Nobody denies FF has exploits, but they're less actively abused. Also, Firefox seems to have better parsing for HTML/XML/everything: there are a vastly larger number of IE scripting exploits. What's really sad, is a lot of IE exploits haven't been patched after years, and Microsoft says they never will. I don't want to have to trust a site like overclock.net to remove malicious text. I just want my browser to be immune.

I have had the exact opposite of you. IE fails to load most pages(at all), and FF loads them all properly. I don't need a browser that fails to load pages, and keeps stealing window focus.
now that I agree with firefox at least tries to take care of and patch their problems unlike ms. but hey what are you going to do. it's still a matter of beign smart when browsing. with IE exploits being used more then firefox I wonder how much of that though is based upon market share and user base rather then the browser itself?

guess it depends on the website though. usually firefox will load most pages but I have seen many that load but do so wrong. the stealing focus thing though is a pain in the arse even more so like me if you don't use tabs and like to open multiple windows at once.
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I hate IE7. I would rather use IE6 just because the menu system is more standard.
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post #56 of 61
the only reason for IEs minimal success is that it bloat ware comes with stock windows OSs and they steal all their ideas from FF...

FF FTW!
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the only reason for IEs minimal success is that it bloat ware comes with stock windows OSs and they steal all their ideas from FF...

FF FTW!
who in turn steal their ideas from opera lolz
    
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who in turn steal their ideas from opera lolz
That's the world man. Honestly Opera is starting to make money now by selling itself on the Wii FF is and probably always will be free.
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post #59 of 61
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wouldn't look at it quite as a missconception as I would call it a technicality. yes IE does load with windows as it is part of the core of windows. firefox on the other has to be loaded manually. now with that I don't reboot my computer very often so even if it cost me 10 second to load ie on reboot that's fine 10 seconds in a week to a months worth of time. now my browser I open multiple times through the day. 10 seconds here and there sucks. and sure if I open firefox close it and then reopen it chances are it's still loaded in ram and will open quick. lets say I open it though then close it play some games come back and load firefox back up. chances are it has been removed from ram at this point so it would be just like a fresh start of firefox all over again and agian I have that huge wait that I have just like a opening it cold.
You're totally right about that. For many people, starting with Windows is better. But I neglected to mention memory usage; stripping IE out drops the memory usage of various processes, leading to roughly a ~20MB decline. It also allows you to delete an additional 3MB from the registry(although I must admit, people that spend the time clearing 3MB of registry keys are hardcore software modders, and not me. ). That's pretty good...means to load a site, IE7 uses ~50 MB(~25-30MB for process, +20-25MB for other processes), while FF only uses the ~35MB(or however much it does on your computer).

The impressive thing though, is when you start removing every piece of bloated Microsoft software - not just IE. Then you get to the point where your computer only uses 40MB of RAM when it starts. Of course, you lose compatability with Microsoft Office, all Microsoft programming tools, WMP, some Microsoft games, and ofcourse anything dependant on Internet Explorer.

But, 40MB!...at boot!....woot! Strip out networking, and you can drop that about another 6MB!

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wait so you need an addon for ads with firefox right?
But addons are only active when you're running Firefox. They use a minute amount of memory and CPU time compared to external programs; in fact, they use no additional CPU time - Firefox uses the same amount(which the extensions share), so an extension-loaded Firefox should be the same as a bare one, if you have enough memory.

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and who said I need an antivirus program or a spyware removal tool. I know I didn't say that you did. on my computer right now I have no anti-virus. haven't been infected yet that I know and if I did get infected it wouldn't be fault of internet explorer just like firefox wouldn't protect me. it's more of how and where I aquire my stuff that would cause that one if you know what I mean. as far as spyware I haven't had problems with that either. but then again thats more of watching where I go and what I do.

I do'nt need a program like firefox to watch out for me because I'm too stupid to do it on my own
I agree with you in principle, but disagree because of Microsoft.

See, Microsoft has stopped patching some critical exploits on Windows 2000 and XP. A few IE6 exploits for Win2k have been unpatched for nearly 2+ years. For XP, there's a few IE6 exploitsthat are unpatched, and will not be patched, because you can upgrade to IE7. For XP/IE7, there's been a few partially patched ones that required Vista to get the whole fixes. Finally Microsoft did release the fixes for XP, but that just serves to illustrate my point. Firefox would protect you, because they don't hold back patches if you don't upgrade to an expensive new OS.

I love windows. Dislike tabs(tab bar should be at the bottom of the screen, IMHO). Most of Firefox's memory leaks are tab related.
     
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Whats IE
    
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