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Its simple, Intel is beating AMD down with price cuts to kill AMDs bottom line so they can't maintain the level of FAB advancement and take any more of Intels % which is further bolstered by Intels excessive flood of newer tech. Since Intel can no longer black ball manufacturers for using AMD CPU the financial and tech flood was there only means of regaining face after being beat down by AMDs true 32/64 bit CPU!
Intel will soon bite off there own nose to spite their face. In that, they have pushed the core materials to near capacity which leave no room for core advancement because making the circuitry any smaller will prove to be very difficult if not soon impossible, thus the push for multi cores!

Once AMD catch up with the nu size reduction Intel will have little or no where to run!

That was not a barb at Intel, just the realization they are moving so fast that they will run out of material/tech to make faster CPUs... the silicone core can be cut only so small!

Sure there strategy is working and they have regained more of the market, but at what cost overall!

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You win or die, AMD just sat around and enjoyed the breeze when they were ahead and now intel pwnzord them, good.
Actually they were mustering finances to expand... AMD had far less capitol to expand!
    
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I've used dual core Optys, Pentium Ds, and Core 2 Duos, and the difference from PD to C2D is big, in my eyes, but I can't tell the difference between my AM2 Dual Core and an E6400, especially in games.
I do not see how you could not 'see' a difference. look at your fps for instance, try raisin the resolution

try running a spybot search and destroy check, then an AVG SLOW FULL SCAN, then ENCODE/RENDER A MOVIE and play BF2 with Warcraft 3 running in the background. I can do that with the rendering in little more than real time

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Yea that's what any company would do to the competition. It's just business. I think it's funny how every talks like AMD is a hero
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Actually they were mustering finances to expand... AMD had far less capitol to expand!
Although this could be true, IMO the possibility is remote. I do not see how they actually tried, in the A64 days.
    
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Its simple, Intel is beating AMD down with price cuts to kill AMDs bottom line so they can't maintain the level of FAB advancement and take any more of Intels % which is further bolstered by Intels excessive flood of newer tech. Since Intel can no longer black ball manufacturers for using AMD CPU the financial and tech flood was there only means of regaining face after being beat down by AMDs true 32/64 bit CPU!
Intel will soon bite off there own nose to spite their face. In that, they have pushed the core materials to near capacity which leave no room for core advancement because making the circuitry any smaller will prove to be very difficult if not soon impossible, thus the push for multi cores!

Once AMD catch up with the nu size reduction Intel will have little or no where to run!

That was not a barb at Intel, just the realization they are moving so fast that they will run out of material/tech to make faster CPUs... the silicone core can be cut only so small!

Sure there strategy is working and they have regained more of the market, but at what cost overall!
Intel is about making tech, AMD is about buying it or taking advantage of IBM. They throw more money into nex-gen tech then you could ever imagine.
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That was not a barb at Intel, just the realization they are moving so fast that they will run out of material/tech to make faster CPUs... the silicone core can be cut only so small!
I think Intel are implimenting a new production material in their Penryn Cores to compliment the silicon. As for a new architecture, they'll have to create one for Nehalem. It won't be so simple for them to integrate a memory controller onto the current Core 2's to facilitate CSI on their future CPU's, so a new architecture is the only way they cna go in my opinion.
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Intel is about making tech, AMD is about buying it or taking advantage of IBM. They throw more money into nex-gen tech then you could ever imagine.
WHAT!
    
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Intel FTW... no further comments needed...
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Really, I don't care who's making the chips. And even if AMD dies, and a monopoly becomes a reality, Intel will still have to play it smart. Research and development may suffer without the competition forcing new ideas and technology, but they couldn't slow down too much or they may leave a wideopen hole in the market for a new company (or old revival!) to take over. Same goes for pricing. So either way I think we'd be Ok if AMD took a dive, but I can't really see that happening. Maybe some downsizing, and shift of market, but I can't see them going out completly, not for a good while anyway. Hope that some-what made sense.
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AMD will come back cause they have too much money not to put out a nice proccesor. And right now they have the low to middle market which is huge for home users, and business's
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I'm still set on my next build so far. It's going to be an AMD quad-core Phenom socket am2 early next year. Then I'm giving my sig rig to my daughter.
But to tell the truth, if I find a better, more reliable, higher overclocking motherboard for the Intel, that's the way I'm going.
I just hope that the big motherboard makers have something Phenomenal up thier sleeves to go along with these cpu's.
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I'm still set on my next build so far. It's going to be an AMD quad-core Phenom socket am2 early next year. Then I'm giving my sig rig to my daughter.
But to tell the truth, if I find a better, more reliable, higher overclocking motherboard for the Intel, that's the way I'm going.
I just hope that the big motherboard makers have something Phenomenal up thier sleeves to go along with these cpu's.
lawl u srs?

I don't know about you but I'm pretty sure that Intel boards overclock pretty alright.
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