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post #21 of 46
i think AMD might have bit off more than they could chew when they acquired ATi. they do seem to be in trouble right now.

anyway, people like us are a teeny part of the market. most people buy Dells and HPs and just look for the cheapest computer with decent looking numbers. AMD processors are still cheaper.
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I do not see how you could not 'see' a difference. look at your fps for instance, try raisin the resolution

try running a spybot search and destroy check, then an AVG SLOW FULL SCAN, then ENCODE/RENDER A MOVIE and play BF2 with Warcraft 3 running in the background. I can do that with the rendering in little more than real time




Although this could be true, IMO the possibility is remote. I do not see how they actually tried, in the A64 days.

To test the CPU and memory subsystems, you need to lower the resolution. Raising the resolution puts more stress on the video card(s)
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Uh? Did AMD not kick them for years?

Intel has a right to kick them all night baby!
    
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I do not see how you could not 'see' a difference. look at your fps for instance, try raisin the resolution

try running a spybot search and destroy check, then an AVG SLOW FULL SCAN, then ENCODE/RENDER A MOVIE and play BF2 with Warcraft 3 running in the background. I can do that with the rendering in little more than real time




Although this could be true, IMO the possibility is remote. I do not see how they actually tried, in the A64 days.
I can have my AVG actively scanning while spybot is also and play BF2.. Why play BF2 and have warcraft in the back? That just wastes power and who actually does that??
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Well monopoly is always bad for the customers and damn good for buisness, so all of us (including hard-core Intel fans) should hope that AMD manages to keep on in these hard times. I think they will.

Thus said.. Intel has every right to kick AMD whenever they are down, it's called competition. As long they stick to government laws we can't really complain.
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I do not see how you could not 'see' a difference. look at your fps for instance, try raisin the resolution

try running a spybot search and destroy check, then an AVG SLOW FULL SCAN, then ENCODE/RENDER A MOVIE and play BF2 with Warcraft 3 running in the background. I can do that with the rendering in little more than real time.
OK, I'm pretty sure no one on Earth has a need to run 2 games and try to watch a movie at the same time. I do virus, spyware, and adware scans all at once, and I realize that I need to get those done, so I do those before I go to bed. Why you would want to run a game in the backgroun, play a game and render a movie simultaneously is beyond me, but whatever. And I'm 90% sure that the only purpose of trying to do all of that at once was just so some day you could pull that out when someone said their processor was good enough so you could scream "**** INTEL FTW!" If I'm running scans, I surf the internet. If I'm playing games, I lsiten to music. If I'm watching a movie, I watch the frickin movie. No need to do this as your form of some synthetic benchmark. If you want to brag, run 2 instances of Photoshop CS2, try to do all of the filters at once for both programs, and then run 3D Mark 06. Tell me it doesn't lag then...

For what I do, and what the average gamer does, an AMD X2 is plenty, except for synthetic benchmark scores. Heck, I'd probably be fine with a PD if it hadn't been engrained into my head that AMD was so "FTW!" when I first got involved in computers...
    
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If I'm running scans, I surf the internet. If I'm playing games, I lsiten to music. If I'm watching a movie, I watch the frickin movie.
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I am going to post my favorite post of all times and this is by far the best way to describe AMD vs Intel in terms of processor performance, power and ability to mass produce: (Source: http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=88)

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I keep going back to Intel because back when i first started building machines during the 486 and PI days, the systems were good and stable, but AMD had cores that sucked. AMD chips ran hot and had lots of issues and were generally regarded as "bargain" systems. This continued up until pretty much the A64 days which was relatively _recent_. The only reason I see why AMD is getting a lot of positive press lately is not because of A64's pro's, but because of Prescotts flaws.

Look back on the past 5 pages. All of the positive aspects of AMD chips can be summarized by saying: "It's more efficient than prescott." Well fine, it's nice to recognize it when a company gets something right for the first time, but Intel has a much longer track record than AMD, and has shown consistent innovations and improvement. Prescott was a poor decision, but Intel will make something better. That is not speculation, it is a promise. Intel WILL come out with better chips, and Intel WILL be around for a very long time. AMD's future on the other hand is not as secure. A64 and A X2's are great, but can you honestly say that AMD will consistently improve? No one knows what's coming out next, and no one knows if they will get better. AMD will have to consitently be better than Intel for many many years before the market swings their way, and that is a very difficult task.

The bottom line is that more people have faith in Intel because they have proven themselves in the past and even relatively recently. AMD had only so far shown one chip generation to be good, and only in light of the Intel Prescott. They have yet to shine on their own merits rather than in comparison to their compeditor's poor product.
Bottom line, AMD is back to where they couldn't compete and in the light of a processor (Prescott) which was a horrible mistake (apparently), they got the upper hand, not because they were such a great innovative corporation. Barcelona? anyone?
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I am going to post my favorite post of all times and this is by far the best way to describe AMD vs Intel in terms of processor performance, power and ability to mass produce: (Source: http://www.hardforum.com/showpost.ph...0&postcount=88)



Bottom line, AMD is back to where they couldn't compete and in the light of a processor (Prescott) which was a horrible mistake (apparently), they got the upper hand, not because they were such a great innovative corporation. Barcelona? anyone?
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post #30 of 46
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Bottom line, AMD is back to where they couldn't compete
Can't compete? They've matched price/performance for every chip on the market at or below the $300 price point. The market for chips above that is extremely small. They've also landed a contract with Walmart (the world's largest discount retailer) to sell their chips. Can you explain how they're not being competitive in your eyes? Neither company has been operating at a positive cashflow position because of the major price cutting, but both should turn a profit this quarter for the first time in a LONG time.
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