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Neither company has been operating at a positive cashflow position because of the major price cutting
http://www.overclock.net/news-overcl...ales-gain.html

http://www.overclock.net/2398117-post64.html

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Can you explain how they're not being competitive in your eyes?
Have you seen anything better from AMD yet? The Prescott days are no longer. Northwoods were better and AMD only shined in the light of Prescott.
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http://www.overclock.net/news-overcl...ales-gain.html

http://www.overclock.net/2398117-post64.html


Have you seen anything better from AMD yet? The Prescott days are no longer. Northwoods were better and AMD only shined in the light of Prescott.
you're going to say that the P4 was competitive with the A64 generation of chips? For 3-4 years they had a competitive edge. For the 1 year conroe was out they haven't had the edge. Their only fault is not refreshing their cpu line with a new arch after all this time.
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You haven't addressed my question. I asked you how you can justify stating that AMD hasn't had competitive products. Are you now telling me that a 7 month stock market performance is your justification?
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how you can justify stating that AMD hasn't had competitive products.
They had have one, K8, but in the light of Prescott.
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I for one say AMD CPU's with cheap good motherboards pwn your buttt.

Intel has better CPU's but they have crappy cheap motherboards.. It's sad but true. Hence many people still go AMD.
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Intel is the leading company, and has to defend its position as the leader. AMD made a really remarkable attack from a lower comany. It was really impressive...but Intel is still the number 1 company, and they are defending their postion as so. I am now amazed by Intel by how much they can just kick AMD's arse! The other day some of AMD's top exective's quit. It's all over for them for now..though they could always make a turn around if they got lucky and came across the right technology.
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They had have one, K8, but in the light of Prescott.
Every review out clearly shows that AMD is competitive at every price point at or below $300. You're stating that is clearly not the case, so I'd like to hear what you're basing your opinion on.
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Keep in mind any processor below $120 AMD still owns performance wise, because then you get into Pentium Ds, and no one wants that... And chances are that a $120 AMD chip could beat an E4300 easily. I mean, my $65 chip could compete with an E4300 after I'ce OC'ed it. AMD still owns the end user market that matters most, bang for buck. Also, it's safe to assume Opterons are still more commonly in servers than Xeons, because they don't get upgraded nearly as often, and AMD had a good lead in that share for some time.

Intel owns the high end enthusiast market, yes. But isn't it the same logic that says just because the 8800 Ultra is better than the 2900XT doesn't mean nVidia will make more money? It's the midrange and low end where companies make their money. And in that regard, AMD still stands a fighting chance.
    
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What do you mean that AMD only shined because of the prescotts? AMD pretty much owned the performance chip market from the time of the pentium 2's and 3's up till the core 2's came out. Remember the days of the thunderbird where a 266mhz FSB was huge? Even the lower cost durons outperformed the intel chips. Im not a fanboy, in fact I have 3 intel rigs runing right now (C2D, PD, and P4). Im just saying that no one is going to be on top forever. AMD will be fine they will sell plenty of chips to the home/business market. Eventually, like someone already said, intel will run out of places to go with the core technology and AMD will come out with something new. Then we'll be asking WTH is wrong with intel.
    
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Keep in mind any processor below $120 AMD still owns performance wise, because then you get into Pentium Ds, and no one wants that... And chances are that a $120 AMD chip could beat an E4300 easily. I mean, my $65 chip could compete with an E4300 after I'ce OC'ed it. AMD still owns the end user market that matters most, bang for buck. Also, it's safe to assume Opterons are still more commonly in servers than Xeons, because they don't get upgraded nearly as often, and AMD had a good lead in that share for some time.

Intel owns the high end enthusiast market, yes. But isn't it the same logic that says just because the 8800 Ultra is better than the 2900XT doesn't mean nVidia will make more money? It's the midrange and low end where companies make their money. And in that regard, AMD still stands a fighting chance.
Intel has about 70 percent server marketshare and growing,.
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