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Hi Everyone,

I have spent a *fair* amount of time trying to decipher the validity of whether or not non conductive fluids will short out components it comes in contact with in the event of a leak.

There are many people that claim *yes* you'll be fine with a leak, while the other camp states *no* this is not safe, since even distilled water going through your loop flowing across your blocks, will pick up contaminants from the metals they are manufactured from.

I'm sure this debate has raged on for many years. So, is there any *factual* testing or other information I can look at that will dictate if this is fact or fiction? I do not have the knowledge to honestly say one way or another, but if it is a myth, I'd sure like to have the information to *bust it*

Thank you
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I used to use Fluid XP for a long time, I got sick of spending that much on it and started using a witch's brew instead..I've been fortunate and never had a leak so I don't know if it would work or not...Snerp a member here used MCT-05 and he said he had a few leaks and it kept his rig from frying...CyberDruid here I believe said his PC Ice had kept his stuff from frying with a couple of leaks...


Scientific proof I have neither for or against...I rely more on people I know and their experience with things...A lot of nay-saying is just BS and a lot of times the praising is just BS....Reviews on the net are un-reliable anymore, they just want free goodies...
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It's not the Fluid that does the frying if it's non-conductive.

AS5 is hardly conductive and will not fry but if you leave it and some other particles get on it, it can short some stuffs.
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If you let your case get dusty and get a leak the current can travel through the dust floating on top of the coolant and still fry your stuff even with non-conductive......
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Thanks for your replies fellas, what I've gained from this so far, is, that as long as your using water, regardless of what's going 'round and 'round in your loop for additives, there is always a chance, be it 50% or 5% that a leak could very well *take out* some components, due to the electrical nature.

So, a fair statement would read: you may or may not lose parts if a leak occurs, that's what I have drawn so far.

If I'm on the wrong track or need to see this in a different light, feel free to correct me.

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Thanks for your replies fellas, what I've gained from this so far, is, that as long as your using water, regardless of what's going 'round and 'round in your loop for additives, there is always a chance, be it 50% or 5% that a leak could very well *take out* some components, due to the electrical nature.

So, a fair statement would read: you may or may not lose parts if a leak occurs, that's what I have drawn so far.

If I'm on the wrong track or need to see this in a different light, feel free to correct me.

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If there is a leak in your water loop, 95% of the chance that it will short something. Here is why.

To be exact, water itself is a poor conductor. I think distilled water is about 18 megaohm-cm (resistivity). However, the ions in the water do transmit electric and that is why it can fry sensitive circuit. But don't go get deionised water and think you are going to be safe. Water tend to react with metal (ur copper block / radiator) and then those deionised become a perfect conductive medium.

Regarding the Fluid XP, I have been using it for some time and can tell you for sure that +85% chance they will not cause any harm. There have been numerous time that I have some dropped on my 8800GTX and everything is fine. But the true reason I am using Fluid XP is low maintenance, it can go 2~3 years without the need to cycle. Water need to be change every 3 months or sooner if you live in warmer region and sunlight can get to your water. The downside for Fluid XP is that they do not transfer heat as well as water. So your temp may go a little higher. But at least Fluid XP doesn't clog your pump like Promos
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Just use water and make sure everything, is 100% dust or dirt free, and you should be fine!

    
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I used to use Fluid XP for a long time, I got sick of spending that much on it and started using a witch's brew instead..I've been fortunate and never had a leak so I don't know if it would work or not...Snerp a member here used MCT-05 and he said he had a few leaks and it kept his rig from frying...CyberDruid here I believe said his PC Ice had kept his stuff from frying with a couple of leaks...


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what is this witch's brew you speak of?
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Hi Everyone,

I have spent a *fair* amount of time trying to decipher the validity of whether or not non conductive fluids will short out components it comes in contact with in the event of a leak.

There are many people that claim *yes* you'll be fine with a leak, while the other camp states *no* this is not safe, since even distilled water going through your loop flowing across your blocks, will pick up contaminants from the metals they are manufactured from.

I'm sure this debate has raged on for many years. So, is there any *factual* testing or other information I can look at that will dictate if this is fact or fiction? I do not have the knowledge to honestly say one way or another, but if it is a myth, I'd sure like to have the information to *bust it*

Thank you
A water molecule itself is not neutral. It has a positive side and a negative side that binds it with its neighboring water molecules (oxygen being negative, the two hydrogen being positive), hence water itself is capable of transmitting electricity, although not very efficiently. Thus, you can fry a component with just distilled water, regardless of what else is in there (including non-conductive additives). Metal contaminants can increase the fluid's conductivity, and you will get contaminants in your water loop regardless of how much anti-corrosion agent you use. Of course, water without contaminants (i.e. distilled water, with or without non-conductive additives), will be less conductive than water with contaminants, but I still wouldn't want to take the chance.

Edit: Psun touched on this. Sorry for the extra information.
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You can use water and apply some clear silicone water sealant around tubing connections. It is not permanent and can be removed later. After cured, they feel like clear rubber jelly
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